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    Default Ed Parker's Kenpos Share the same basics?

    And why if they don't why couldn't they? They being E d parker's chinese kenpo, 32 kenpo and 24 kenpo and Sub- Level 4. Thank you for listening to what may be on my part a stupid bunch of questions.

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    Default Re: Ed Parker's Kenpos Share the same basics?

    The would have to be some sentence structure for that rambling to even comprise some questions.
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    Default Re: Ed Parker's Kenpos Share the same basics?

    There is a bit of disagreement about what the basics are among those of us who post on this board. But there is far more agreement as to the basics.

    When this board first opened, I posted the lists of basics used at my school. And some of those threads have had some pretty good discussions.

    But, when discussion three dimensional body mechanics on a message board, coming to a consensus is not an easy task. Take a look at the threads related to "what is a horse stance"?

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    Basics are going to be slightly different from school to school within one organization. Forget matching style to style... really.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aylric View Post
    1. And why if they don't
    2. why couldn't they? They being E d parker's chinese kenpo, 32 kenpo and 24 kenpo and Sub- Level 4. Thank you for listening to what may be on my part a stupid bunch of questions.
    You only had 2 questions.

    #1, is a presupposition that they don't, and you are correct in that. Anyone want to know why I say that, let me know.

    #2, is about why they don't?

    Simple answer, Mr. Parker had some stuff he was really good at, so it's in his system.

    There are other things, like specialty kicks, that Mr. Parker was not good at, so his system lacks those Master Keys for the skills that he did NOT put in his system.

    There are many many examples of the above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John M. La Tourrette View Post
    You only had 2 questions.

    #1, is a presupposition that they don't, and you are correct in that. Anyone want to know why I say that, let me know.

    #2, is about why they don't?

    Simple answer, Mr. Parker had some stuff he was really good at, so it's in his system.

    There are other things, like specialty kicks, that Mr. Parker was not good at, so his system lacks those Master Keys for the skills that he did NOT put in his system.

    There are many many examples of the above.

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    GOOD points.

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    Anyone want to know why I say that, let me know.
    Please, do tell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John M. La Tourrette View Post
    You only had 2 questions.

    #1, is a presupposition that they don't, and you are correct in that. Anyone want to know why I say that, let me know.

    #2, is about why they don't?

    Simple answer, Mr. Parker had some stuff he was really good at, so it's in his system.

    There are other things, like specialty kicks, that Mr. Parker was not good at, so his system lacks those Master Keys for the skills that he did NOT put in his system.

    There are many many examples of the above.

    DOC JOHN
    I have a question on what you've said about Mr. Parker's kicks. You said: "There are other things, like specialty kicks, that Mr. Parker was not good at, so his system lacks those Master Keys for the skills that he did NOT put in his system."

    Didn't he lay the groundwork for others to add it in his books? I mean basically, doesn't this explain why the basics may be different in each school?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjpregler View Post
    I have a question on what you've said about Mr. Parker's kicks. You said: "There are other things, like specialty kicks, that Mr. Parker was not good at, so his system lacks those Master Keys for the skills that he did NOT put in his system."

    Didn't he lay the groundwork for others to add it in his books? I mean basically, doesn't this explain why the basics may be different in each school?
    LOL.

    Only if "YOU" want it to.

    Anything can be framed any way you want it. People do it all the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brother John View Post
    GOOD points.
    .....and I'll bite....
    Please, do tell.
    Well Mr. Haag,

    I did in my point #2, in the post you are refering to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John M. La Tourrette View Post
    Well Mr. Haag,

    I did in my point #2, in the post you are refering to.

    DOC JOHN
    Ps. Do you want more?
    Grumble grumble... It couldn't possibly have to do with his way of thinking?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KenpoChanger View Post
    Grumble grumble... It couldn't possibly have to do with his way of thinking?Sean
    It might have more to do with MY way of thinking.

    It's called "open loops" which is a teaching tactic that is very good to use with students so they always want more.

    DOC JOHN

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    Dr. John
    Fragmented statements allow for self exploration, vs. spoon feeding.

    A while back sir, I posed the question of who is at fault when we have to spoon feed a student along the way. I understand that we nurse them the whole time. However is the responsibilty laid on the instructors communciation abilities which direct the student to ask the right questions, or should we wait for the student to take on the responsibilty to search for the questions?

    You know I just answered this for myself; However Sir I would like to know when we should stop spoon feeding them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MARSHALLS KENPO View Post
    Dr. John
    Fragmented statements allow for self exploration, vs. spoon feeding.

    A while back sir, I posed the question of who is at fault when we have to spoon feed a student along the way. I understand that we nurse them the whole time. However is the responsibilty laid on the instructors communciation abilities which direct the student to ask the right questions, or should we wait for the student to take on the responsibilty to search for the questions?

    You know I just answered this for myself; However Sir I would like to know when we should stop spoon feeding them?

    My Respect Sir
    An "open loop" causes THEIR mind to go into transderivational search so they find their own answers.

    Now, we as trainers need to validate what they did is effective or not. That is part of our job description.

    They write a thesis.

    We check it to make sure they know what they are talking about.

    Sincerely,
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    Quote Originally Posted by John M. La Tourrette View Post
    An "open loop" causes THEIR mind to go into transderivational search so they find their own answers.

    Now, we as trainers need to validate what they did is effective or not. That is part of our job description.

    They write a thesis.

    We check it to make sure they know what they are talking about.

    Sincerely,
    DOC JOHN
    Huh? I really don't want to miss this as it seems it could be a golden nugget of information. But I'm not quite understanding what you mean. Are you saying that the good instructor should lead us to both the questions and the answers and the instructor should tell us if we are right or wrong? If so what if we are wrong? Do you have us keep searching or give us the answer or a combination?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjpregler View Post
    Huh? I really don't want to miss this as it seems it could be a golden nugget of information. But I'm not quite understanding what you mean. Are you saying that the good instructor should lead us to both the questions and the answers and the instructor should tell us if we are right or wrong? If so what if we are wrong? Do you have us keep searching or give us the answer or a combination?
    Well,

    As Ed Parker, Al Tracy, Ron Chapel (and oodles of other trainers say) and I say, "Let's see if it works or not. Hit me".

    DOC JOHN

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