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    Dear Kenpo brothers and sisters:

    How many of you Kenpoists and other students of the Martial Arts utilize this technique as a primary long range weapon?

    I have incorporated this strike into one of my most basic forms. From a lead hand perspective the technique has few rivals for effectiveness and speed.

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    A good poke in the eye can never really be under rated.
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    Default Re: Corkscrew finger jab

    Quote Originally Posted by nelson View Post
    Dear Kenpo brothers and sisters:

    How many of you Kenpoists and other students of the Martial Arts utilize this technique as a primary long range weapon?

    I have incorporated this strike into one of my most basic forms. From a lead hand perspective the technique has few rivals for effectiveness and speed.

    Nelson Kari
    What happens when you miss? Is this a light "flick" or a full on thrust? What happens if I duck my head and you hit my forehead?

    The lead finger jab is big in the JKD circles.

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    Dear Lamont:

    When you miss you retract and fire away again! But seriously folks I do like the corkscrew jab but I believe the horizontal finger jab done with the lead hand and a braced index finger is actually faster. The index finger is braced by the third finger which is carried in the half bent position.

    I was always taught that it was not neccesary to actually enter or penetrate the eyeball to have a dramatic effect on your opponents vision. A mere slight touch of the eyelid will result in instant pain and sympathetic tearing of the opposite eye. Yeah you're all right about JKD circles and their use of this jab. The finger jab along with the leading foot strike to the knee or ankle of an opponent it is deceptive and not easily countered offensive technique.

    I believe it should be a crime NOT to instruct every student is this very potent and powerful combat method.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nelson View Post
    Dear Kenpo brothers and sisters:

    How many of you Kenpoists and other students of the Martial Arts utilize this technique as a primary long range weapon?

    I have incorporated this strike into one of my most basic forms. From a lead hand perspective the technique has few rivals for effectiveness and speed.

    Nelson Kari
    It was actually Bruce Lee that said the "fingerstrike" to the eye is the fastest strike.

    There are several reasons for that.

    Anyone know why that is so?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blindside View Post
    What happens when you miss? Is this a light "flick" or a full on thrust? What happens if I duck my head and you hit my forehead?

    The lead finger jab is big in the JKD circles.
    There it goes again...

    ...the famous "what if..." question, that virtually never arises after you've done it correctly.

    The point is, MOST "what if's" NEVER occur when the TRAINING is done correctly on the basic levels.

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    Default Re: Corkscrew finger jab

    Quote Originally Posted by Blindside View Post
    What happens when you miss? Is this a light "flick" or a full on thrust? What happens if I duck my head and you hit my forehead?

    The lead finger jab is big in the JKD circles.

    Lamont
    Theoreticly you can continue the circle, or if the target moves in you can simply collapse the figer thrust into a fist or the back of the wrist. Circle continuation is best at close range, but I wouldn't recomend a whole lotta long range strikes any way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John M. La Tourrette View Post
    It was actually Bruce Lee that said the "fingerstrike" to the eye is the fastest strike.

    There are several reasons for that.

    Anyone know why that is so?

    DOC
    It requires no back up mass.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KenpoChanger View Post
    It requires no back up mass.
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    Oh.

    You mean you don't need other master keys except proper targeting?

    What a concept. I'll trademark it, copyright it, and register it right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John M. La Tourrette View Post

    What a concept. I'll trademark it, copyright it, and register it right now.

    DOC

    I happened to notice you indicated Tredemark (TM) on several terms and phrases in the thread on Speed and Power. I was sort of wondering why you felt a need to do that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flying crane View Post
    I happened to notice you indicated Tredemark (TM) on several terms and phrases in the thread on Speed and Power. I was sort of wondering why you felt a need to do that.
    Why would you wonder why I need to copyright and trade mark my own personal explanations, descriptions, research and clarity approaches?

    And I wonder why Doc C and Parker Jr. also feel that need?

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    Quote Originally Posted by John M. La Tourrette View Post
    Why would you wonder why I need to copyright and trade mark my own personal explanations, descriptions, research and clarity approaches?

    And I wonder why Doc C and Parker Jr. also feel that need?

    DOC
    I guess I didn't realize those phrases were unique to your teaching style, and were unique enough to need that kind of protection.
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    Default Re: Corkscrew finger jab

    Quote Originally Posted by John M. La Tourrette View Post
    It was actually Bruce Lee that said the "fingerstrike" to the eye is the fastest strike. There are several reasons for that. Anyone know why that is so?
    Quote Originally Posted by KenpoChanger View Post
    It requires no back up mass.
    Oh, you just HAD to say that!

    Actually, I think you are correct. The strike (any strike) to the eyes requires little power, and in fact does not even have to make contact, to be effective. It is the automatic reaction to something suddenly darting close to the eye(s) that you mostly want. He jerks his head back and flinches, and you have a window of opportunity.

    'Course, contact is better. But you still need little power to cause him to tear up and to blur his vision. Like using a knife, your motions can be more compact, quicker, but still effective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flying crane View Post
    I guess I didn't realize those phrases were unique to your teaching style, and were unique enough to need that kind of protection.


    I see people quoting my stuff all the time, especially my books from 1978, 1980 & 1981.

    I've even seen my stuff and my exact terms in movies, word for word, move for move.

    It gets boring after awhile.

    One enterprising fellow out of Hollywood had his studio down there buy all my videos on Speed hitting™, Speed fighting™, Speed Attack™, blab, blab, blab.

    And, about 8-9 months later out comes his “kill movie” with my technologies and language patterns.

    I had students from all over the USA calling me and asking me “why he did it?”

    On the other hand I gave Mr. Parker the title and the concepts to the “Zen of Kenpo” because; even though I came up with the title and the concept (from Zen in the Martial Arts and Zen Karate) I felt he deserved to do the book because he was the Father of American Kenpo Karate.

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    Default Re: Corkscrew finger jab

    Interesting.

    Which movie was that? Can you use that to your advantage?

    Maybe not if the movie was crappola.

    What do you guys think if finger exercises for finger conditioning?

    Juan M. Mercado

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    Quote Originally Posted by John M. La Tourrette View Post
    It was actually Bruce Lee that said the "finger-strike" to the eye is the fastest strike.
    Quote Originally Posted by John M. La Tourrette View Post

    There are several reasons for that.

    Anyone know why that is so?

    DOC


    I am curious to only one answer to the above question. "No Mass Necessary".

    How about...

    1. …the concept of Zero Perception™?
    Throwing a shot at the eyes done on a specific trajectory means that the strike from their angle of perception is totally invisible.

    2. …the concept of physiology for striking fast versus striking slow? When antagonistic muscles are in play, speed goes away, and rigidity sets in. A finger strike avoids this build in slowness.

    3. …the concept of the Kenpo Bamboo Breath™, a method of “spit breathing™” that accelerates hand speed 2X’s to 3X’s automatically?

    4. …the concept of “Weapon to Target Match™”?

    There are more concepts but that’s enough for now.

    ©DOC

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    Quote Originally Posted by profesormental View Post
    Interesting.

    Which movie was that? Can you use that to your advantage?

    Maybe not if the movie was crappola.

    What do you guys think if finger exercises for finger conditioning?

    Juan M. Mercado
    Juan,

    You know.

    We talked about it a couple of years ago when you were at one of my Intensives.

    In fact I'm pretty sure it's on some of the seminar DVD's.

    DOC

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    Quote Originally Posted by thedan View Post
    The strike (any strike) to the eyes requires little power, and in fact does not even have to make contact, to be effective. It is the automatic reaction to something suddenly darting close to the eye(s) that you mostly want. He jerks his head back and flinches, and you have a window of opportunity.
    Very cool Dan.

    Most don't know that.

    A strike to the eyes, even if contact is NOT made can still be effective in creating a REFLEX ACTION, one that he is POWERLESS TO STOP.

    It happens whether he wants it to or not.

    Now group, how can that small time delay, and confusion, and break state in him mental attack plan be utilized by YOU?

    DOC

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