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    Ok, I can't stand it. Yes 5,000 reps will set a technique in your brain for the rest of your life and extreme pressure makes your mind think its the real thing. I've always known that these training methods were still used but THEY ARE THE OLD WAY. These methods smack of the military.
    Groups like sports mind infiltrated the Navy Seals years ago with mind control techniques that worked in half the time without the stress. Giro is another science/performance based method for learning everything from new languages to martial arts. The list of modern learning methods is huge and remember this is what Ed Parker wanted evolution.

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    Hi Kit ... who are you? who have you trained with and what is your lineage?

    99% of us here put out there who we are, just curious with your 40 years and 8th black why do you remain anonymous? Letting us know who you are and where you come from adds merit to your posts. Just a thought.

    Lots of old school guys here, it does take 5,000 - 10,000 reps to become 2nd nature or "no mind".
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    Repititon is the key I always say.
    "It is sobering to reflect that one of the best ways to get yourself a reputation as a dangerous citizen these days is to go about repeating the very phrases which our founding fathers used in the struggle for independence." – Charles A. Beard

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    Greetings.

    Using specific mind control and alpha brainwave training methods, you can learn 10 to 100 times faster is coupled with the physical training and feedback from qualified instructors.

    I know of several here that use them specifically for enhancement of martial skills. Who would they be?

    Enjoy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by profesormental View Post
    Greetings.

    Using specific mind control and alpha brainwave training methods, you can learn 10 to 100 times faster is coupled with the physical training and feedback from qualified instructors.

    I know of several here that use them specifically for enhancement of martial skills. Who would they be?

    Enjoy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by katsudo_karate View Post
    Hi Kit ... who are you? who have you trained with and what is your lineage?

    99% of us here put out there who we are, just curious with your 40 years and 8th black why do you remain anonymous? Letting us know who you are and where you come from adds merit to your posts. Just a thought.

    Lots of old school guys here, it does take 5,000 - 10,000 reps to become 2nd nature or "no mind".
    However, if you do those reps before you move like a black belt you are pretty much locking your self in to what ever level you happen to be at at that time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celtic_Crippler View Post
    Repititon is the key I always say.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KenpoChanger View Post
    However, if you do those reps before you move like a black belt you are pretty much locking your self in to what ever level you happen to be at at that time.
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    I would hope that is you did that many repetitions that you would have "some" improvement from Rep #1 to Rep #5,000.
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    Train in the Philippines and you may be doing 500 reps of basics, all day, every day.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KenpoChanger View Post
    Practice makes perminent.
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    This is true. So I submit, that it is not simply in performing the cursory number of 5,000 repetitions, but practicing the movement correctly.

    If you practice a technique poorly or incorrect 5,000 times odds are more than good, you now own that bad movement.

    So all things being equal, I'll take doing it 1,000 times correctly to the 5,000 times with less than all I can invest in the movement.

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    Hmmm...but all things being equal, then more (to a point) is better.
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    I would hope that is you did that many repetitions that you would have "some" improvement from Rep #1 to Rep #5,000.



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    I really like this thread Kit, it makes us think!

    I think it's true that 'repetition is the mother of skill', but it doesn't come alone.
    If I repeat something wrong, I'll achieve a very hard wired HORRIBLE technique. So its more than simply the number of times you do it. I think it also has to do with 'mindfulness', attentiveness to detail! When you know a technique's proper form and are very familiar with it's application...then it's important to visualize it clearly, with as many senses as we can, every time we practice it. The general state of our mind must be one of focus and awareness (black dot / white dot). Each tech needs to be fully explored to be fully experienced. Worked not just many times, but many times of people of different heights, weights, builds...etc. so that we have a better understanding of how to adapt it and adjust it to the needs of the moment. Then you understand the important principles behind a technique that make it function.

    Repetition IS important, but you're right...it's not everything. The more times we bring our mind TOO our techniques, the more often those particular sets of neurons get fired.... the more of the myolin sheath of those neurons gets thicker....leading to more established synapses.

    Repetition + using your brain to it's utmost in working a tech = leads to mastery over time.

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    Mr. Parker said "perfect practice makes perfect."
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    Quote Originally Posted by KenpoChanger View Post
    However, if you do those reps before you move like a black belt you are pretty much locking your self in to what ever level you happen to be at at that time.
    Sean
    That's why I think it's important to constantly go back and re-explore technques. There's always more to learn and always room to improve.

    Quote Originally Posted by katsudo_karate
    Mr. Parker said "perfect practice makes perfect."
    I agree with the idea, but disagree with the verbage. When one sets perfection as one's goal one is setting themselves up for failure. Perfection is an unattainable goal. It is impossible for a human being to be completely flawless. I prefer to make "improvement" my goal. Proper practice makes for proper execution. The idea that one should be mentally engaged during practice and focused on proper body mechanics will help ensure improvement as one constantly critiques the physical applications of what they're doing. Improvement can be seen daily allowing for constant attainment of short term goals as we continue to strive to become better and better. To strive for "perfection" not only sets us up to fail, but places an "end" to our training. If perfection were attainable, what then? LOL. I didn't mean to go off on a philosophical tangent, I just wanted to throw that out there.

    Quote Originally Posted by SifuDangeRuss
    This is true. So I submit, that it is not simply in performing the cursory number of 5,000 repetitions, but practicing the movement correctly.

    If you practice a technique poorly or incorrect 5,000 times odds are more than good, you now own that bad movement.

    So all things being equal, I'll take doing it 1,000 times correctly to the 5,000 times with less than all I can invest in the movement.

    Practice smarter, not harder.
    Exactly. Rushing through repitions is not going to necessarily make you better. Taking your time, while focusing on the movements, and even visualizing the scenario with an opponent, will improve your performance moreso than simply "moving about". IMHO
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    I know I got to repeat about 1000 times each technique or form before I can comit it to memory enough to fix the parts of the tech or form that need tweeked. Then, I got to do it correctly like double that number. Glad to know that I am normal, lol.
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    I have to agree repetition is very important but repetitively practicing some wrong is how tendinitises, bursitiser, bone spers and many other fun painful things can occur.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blfycdq View Post
    I would hope that is you did that many repetitions that you would have "some" improvement from Rep #1 to Rep #5,000.



    ......Is the above done in one day?
    I hope not. I meant over time. The more you practice a technique the better you should come to understand "in theory". In my experience, it as you start to dissect the parts to understand the why that the technique is really learned. I can have someone show me how to it, and even explain why it is done this way however until I have dissected it and learned to the apply it myself it still isn't a technique that I "own".

    Just the stubborn and dense part of me I guess.
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    I always find it benificial to re-explore my old techniques as I progress through our system. A torque of the wrist at an oppertune moment can dramatically change the flow of an old technique that you didn't quite understand at first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Takai View Post
    I would hope that is you did that many repetitions that you would have "some" improvement from Rep #1 to Rep #5,000.
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