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    As many of you are probably aware, there is required material in American Kenpo up to and including the rank of 5th Degree Black Belt (Long Form 8). But what about all subsequent ranks? How does one continue to improve, learn, and ADVANCE in one's art, besides practice and teaching?

    Here are a few ideas in my latest blog:

    http://jamieseabrook.blogspot.com/


    I welcome your feedback here.
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    Default Re: The "Higher" Degrees of Black Belt

    Good post, covering a topic that rattles around in my head frequently.

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    Great post, Sir...
    Thank You...

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    Good stuff, Jamie... But seriously, the word that comes to mind is "Altruistic". As in - "that's altruistic and really great sentiments, but it doesn't seem to work that way in the real world".

    And I don't mean that as a putdown, by any means.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sigung86 View Post
    Good stuff, Jamie... But seriously, the word that comes to mind is "Altruistic". As in - "that's altruistic and really great sentiments, but it doesn't seem to work that way in the real world".

    And I don't mean that as a putdown, by any means.
    Just so everyone is on the same page as us, here is the definintion of altruistic on the Web:
    • Benefiting others without regard for one’s own needs or safety.

    Would you mind elaborating on your post above?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seabrook View Post
    As many of you are probably aware, there is required material in American Kenpo up to and including the rank of 5th Degree Black Belt (Long Form 8). But what about all subsequent ranks? How does one continue to improve, learn, and ADVANCE in one's art, besides practice and teaching?.
    I think you have to be aligned with the right organization. The time on the mat can't be stressed enough. Time spent on the mat with some of the first generation students of Mr. Parker is also a must.

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    Here is my latest blog on how we, as black belts in Kenpo Karate, need to work on being better role models to others as we represent our art:

    http://jamieseabrook.blogspot.com/20...ole-model.html
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    Jamie Seabrook is right about how we as we as seniors should talk and act around others. We are setting the example that others will follow. We cannot be too careful!. If they see us doing the wrong thing they will think it is all right. It is not!! Talk and act they way you know is right and they will follow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JS blog
    But when the aim is to constantly get “hammered”, there is a serious problem. What does that say about your acquired discipline? It says that you try to find satisfaction and peace in life via alcohol because you can't find it without it. And by letting everyone know via forums, Facebook, or what have you, people are not taking you as top martial artist seriously. Put simply, they don't think you are the real deal.
    Mr. Seabrook, point well taken about the moral obligations of those in leadership positions. However, you present an extreme view which, I think, represents your own prejudices and religeouse training rather than reality. Being a senior martial artist doesn't make you less human, nor does it give you a saintly character. In fact, history would suggest otherwise. Perhaps they should moderate what is put out in their public statements. But to put on a false face so others will think you a better martial artist? I just don't see the logic in that connection, or the wisdom in lieing. Sorry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thedan View Post
    But to put on a false face so others will think you a better martial artist? I just don't see the logic in that connection, or the wisdom in lieing. Sorry.

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    Dan,

    I was not implying that whatsoever. In fact, the exact opposite. I was merely trying to get the point across that constant cursing and vulgar language should be avoided by so called high-ranking black belts who are in positions of authority and leadership as it sets a terrible example for children.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seabrook View Post
    Dan,

    I was not implying that whatsoever. In fact, the exact opposite. I was merely trying to get the point across that constant cursing and vulgar language should be avoided by so called high-ranking black belts who are in positions of authority and leadership as it sets a terrible example for children.
    I agree. A certain person, who shall remain vulgar, thinks it perfectly appropriate to curse on the mat. Off the mat, in the company of only adults, the occasional curse word doesn't bother me at all, but on the mat, it's totally unacceptable. And in the presence of children, even more so.

    My mom always said that people who swear a lot only do because they have a limited vocabulary. I agree with this mostly. (Although sometimes a curse word has been carefully chosen and can be used with tremendous satisfaction.) lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seabrook View Post
    ... I was merely trying to get the point across that constant cursing and vulgar language should be avoided by so called high-ranking black belts who are in positions of authority and leadership as it sets a terrible example for children.
    In that case, sir, point taken- just not taken to extremes.

    Quote Originally Posted by amylong View Post
    I agree. A certain person, who shall remain vulgar, thinks it perfectly appropriate to curse on the mat.
    Oh (poo), Amy- that could be me! I do try to moderate my language in the presence of those who it might offend (sometimes).

    My mom always said that people who swear a lot only do because they have a limited vocabulary.
    Yup. Sounds like me, alright.

    In the words of the great Justin Wilson, "Nothing adds emphasis to a statement like a good ...", oh, fergit it. He'd also apologize for swearing, then say "There, doesn't that sound nice? Actually, I don't give a ____."

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    I'm all for the proper etiquette in the proper setting. Children should not be subjected to obscenities in a martial arts school, they can get enough of that at home, on television, at school, or on the net.

    I don't curse in front of kids nor do I in front of my mother. She would probably slap the taste out of my mouth if I did...Southern mom's...lol. Around my buddies though, especially during a football game, durn tootin' an expletive will wind up somewhere in the conversation. Oh yeah, and we drink when we watch the game too. LOL

    Hey, at least I'm honest and no one can accuse me of being a hypocrite.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celtic_Crippler View Post
    Hey, at least I'm honest and no one can accuse me of being a hypocrite.
    Dishonest hypocrite. lol. There. I did it. Now what are ya gonna do about it?

    If you do, I'll tell your mother.


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    Quote Originally Posted by sifuroy View Post
    We are setting the example that others will follow. We cannot be too careful!. If they see us doing the wrong thing they will think it is all right. It is not!! Talk and act they way you know is right and they will follow.
    I am Most Respectfully,
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    Sifuroy I think the same, I look up to my Sifu's and hold them to a higher standard then most..
    Good post Mr. Seabrook thank you
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    Quote Originally Posted by amylong View Post
    Dishonest hypocrite.
    You beat me to it. But I'd have added an expletive or two.

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    Great Blog. Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by amylong View Post
    My mom always said that people who swear a lot only do because they have a limited vocabulary. I agree with this mostly.
    --Amy
    HAHA you need to get to know more Marines. Their vocabulary of curse words would fill a fat dictionary !!! I'm 41 and still get surprised by some of what I hear from a certain Marine vet I know LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidCC View Post
    HAHA you need to get to know more Marines. Their vocabulary of curse words would fill a fat dictionary !!!
    Yeah, that sounds like me, too. Six years, nine months and twenty four days of learning to speak in public ... ! Just, something about the Marine experience, that brings out the best (?) in a person.

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    I think that Jamie Seabrook very carefully thinks about every post he makes.
    He has to my knowledge always given well thought out advice. That in my way of thinking ,makes me highly respect him. Also he always promptly answers any question you may ask him. I think that he brought up a good question aout advancement to higher rank and he is getting some good
    responces. It is something we all need to think about.

    I am Most Respectfully,
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