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  • Self Defense Techniques

    5 22.73%
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    Out of all the methods of training in martial arts, what is your favorite and why?

    I like drills, like the "Circle of Humiliation" or "Running the Line", because in my mind it's an excelent way to see if one can actually apply the knowledge attained from learning self-defense techniques.
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    I agree, it's the drills that I have the most trouble with, which is why I like to do them the most. They really do get my mind thinking and help to increase my technique effectiveness.

    Sparring would be a very close second, followed by warm-up exercises to increase stamina.
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    Well, the question was *favorite*, and I love doing forms! I trained at a TKD dojang for a while just so I could learn their "hyung." The other things are fun too, but the forms give a good feeling of accomplishment.

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    Self Defense and of course the most important tool ... my mind.
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    I chose sparring (at least for today, LOL) because it's such a great cardiovascular workout. Also, I think a lot of Kenpo black belts live in an illusion with the 154 techniques. They think because they can pound the heck out of an uki (even though they already knew the attack ahead of time) they are fighting machines.

    What I like about sparring, however, is that nothing is predetermined. The guy in front of you is trying to take your head off (assuming you are fighting full-contact) and the techniques are not chosen ahead of time. As such, you have to learn perceptual speed by reading your partner before he moves.

    That is why techniques AND SPARRING must be interwoven into one's training regimen to really learn effective self-defense.
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    Favorite tools? The only ones that really matter:

    The mind/synoptic interface.

    Everything else is built on/around this. Without this at your base, the rest is just suprefluouse nonsense. Even if you structure your understanding and reflexes incorrectly, it is likely better than having no structure at all at this level of application.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seabrook View Post
    I chose sparring (at least for today, LOL) because it's such a great cardiovascular workout. Also, I think a lot of Kenpo black belts live in an illusion with the 154 techniques. They think because they can pound the heck out of an uki (even though they already knew the attack ahead of time) they are fighting machines.

    What I like about sparring, however, is that nothing is predetermined. The guy in front of you is trying to take your head off (assuming you are fighting full-contact) and the techniques are not chosen ahead of time. As such, you have to learn perceptual speed by reading your partner before he moves.

    That is why techniques AND SPARRING must be interwoven into one's training regimen to really learn effective self-defense.
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    Difficult to answer really.
    I love it all.

    BUT: My favorite is to do a DRILL and throw techs at random w/in the drill, so that we have to read and adapt right away.

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    I put drills. I also like sparring and when we're required to create a tech off of a given attack and then critiqued on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KenpoJuJitsu3 View Post
    Shame on you for even suggesting something like this.
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    Definitely drills.

    I like them for a couple of reasons.

    If there is a principle that I am struggling with, I can focus on just that principle until I am more comfortable.

    Doing drills under the watchful eye of an instructor helps reduce the chance of burning in bad habits.

    Plus the anxiousness (for lack of a better word) and energy of performing something on your own, without being able to "cheat" by looking at others and without being able to stop halfway through and asking your training parter "Wait, what was next?"

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    I would give drills the edge over SD techniques. Sparring and forms are also in the mix. I like drills because it gets you out of the preplanned techniques and challenges you to use what you know in a different, more free form way.

    If we were talking CMA instead of kenpo, forms would definitely take the cake.
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    GOD that' tough to have to choose lol, I would say drill's, i love speed drill' and energy drills, but sparring is a real close second .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celtic_Crippler View Post
    Out of all the methods of training in martial arts, what is your favorite and why?.
    That's sort of like asking "what part of a woman do you like best?"

    None of it's good without the rest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John M. La Tourrette View Post
    That's sort of like asking "what part of a woman do you like best?"

    None of it's good without the rest.

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    LOL. Yeah, I like the whole enchilada....but there are "areas" I tend to favor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brother John View Post
    Difficult to answer really.
    I love it all.

    BUT: My favorite is to do a DRILL and throw techs at random w/in the drill, so that we have to read and adapt right away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John M. La Tourrette View Post
    That's sort of like asking "what part of a woman do you like best?"

    None of it's good without the rest.

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    Sticky Hands. It forms a framework for any technique, and in particular it promotes sponteneity in Contact Penetration, Impact Manipulation, Contact Manipulation, and Maintenance. It begins as a Set and turns into free form kenpo with all of the sophistication of established techniques.

    Good topic, look forward to more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bujuts View Post
    Sticky Hands. It forms a framework for any technique, and in particular it promotes sponteneity in Contact Penetration, Impact Manipulation, Contact Manipulation, and Maintenance. It begins as a Set and turns into free form kenpo with all of the sophistication of established techniques.

    Good topic, look forward to more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carol Kaur View Post
    Whats that?
    We work kenpo as a Set based system, not as a Technique-based system. The Sets form the framework up the upper body to control and dominate the Outer Rim. Combined with appropriate stance work, the elements in the Sets are in some shape or another the composite basics of all Techniques. The Sticky Hand Sets are something created by my teacher based on his understanding of "Chi Sau" as taught to him by Mr. Parker. Its a learning tool for free form attacking to and through another body.

    When I drill "Sticky Hands", as I mentioned, I functionally take any attack and do what I want based on a pre-determined course of action. How does deal with the attack for Captured Twigs and take the fight to position him or herself for Backbreaker, to break the left arm as in Glancing Wing, or to take a person hostage from behind? The answer is continuous attacking of the physical body with principled and intent basics. The notion of "grafting" (or combining elements of techniques) is way too complicated for me, I prefer to have basics (words) as my building blocks, not techniques (preformed sentences).

    The Sets allow the upper body to all the necessary hitting, manipulating, wrenching, blocking, etc. while stance work provides power, direction, and lower quadrant weapons. Sticky Hands is nothing more than how to get from A to B to C while manipulating, trapping, and hitting. It begins as a fixed Set from a simple square horse in which the student learns to move from one basic to the next while dealing with one or more bodies. It later becomes free form and based on what the student wants to do (enter pro-active fighting stage left). The techniques then form "case studies", for lack of a better term, to enhance the learning process and to bring about an array of scenarios to which these lessons in the Sets may be applied.

    Its a different approach, but I like it. It simplifies the system, and reduces it to a set of core principles that can be counted on the fingers. It allows the student to focus on core basics, on being predatory, and learning to fight with kenpo. Vague, I know, I apologize for that. But I hope that helps.

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