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    Default Vertical punch double strike

    How many folks here have played with the double strike concept on a vertical fist?
    This can be accomplished in a number of ways which one do you like and why?

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    Ok, I have been waiting for someone to answer; so, that I might catch your drift, but it hasn't happened. What is a double strike concept on a vertical fist?
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    Nelson,

    Double strike with the same fist or something similar to the chain punching of Wing Chun?

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    At least for me, this is what I am thinking he is referencing. At about the 35 sec mark. The video is of Isshin-Ryu's "Sunsu Kata". The double vertical punch is kind of their version of the "u punch" done by other styles.

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    Default Re: Vertical punch double strike

    Interesting

    I was thinking it was a double strike vertical punch like this.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6Rl6ZaH20E

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dominic View Post
    Interesting

    I was thinking it was a double strike vertical punch like this.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6Rl6ZaH20E

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    I was taught that it's a prelude to a throw .....
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    I like the Systema concept! The punch I'm talking about first strikes vertically with the big knuckles and then rotates CW to engage the entire set. You give a little extra force to the second knuckle strike while not withdrawing the fist. You can use a light bag for feedback to guage the effectiveness if you don't have cooperative uke's around!

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    Quote Originally Posted by nelson View Post
    I like the Systema concept! The punch I'm talking about first strikes vertically with the big knuckles and then rotates CW to engage the entire set. You give a little extra force to the second knuckle strike while not withdrawing the fist. You can use a light bag for feedback to guage the effectiveness if you don't have cooperative uke's around!
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    The subtle little hook punch that Systema uses is the exception to the head strike rule in my view. The punch doesn't come from down in "Alabama " and is not delivered with bone breaking force. The hook is followed by a quick back knuckle that uses the two largest knuckles. I like a collarbone strike with a hammer fist to the short hook and back knuckle. The collar bone breaks easily.

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    Default Vertical punch double strike

    I'm confused on the "double" part. Is this the vertical punch rotating to uppercut from the Facebook forum?

    I only see one impact followed by a rotation.

    Please do a short video explanation.

    As for the collarbone, I'm not sure it's that easy to break. A grown man has a pretty tough and resilient clavicle that is typically broken by direct side impact with the shoulder.

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    The style I study utilizes a similar concept. For example, we use an upturned fist (palm up punch) into the abdominal area or ribs, this is snapped into an elbow strike which is "raked through" the target and then converts into a hammer fist as you retrace the path. Another example is just using the elbow and then dropping a hammer on the return.

    One thing I have noticed as a disadvantage is people "bleeding" the techniques together so they aren't throwing quality. Their intent is on the next strike and not the strike they are attempting.
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    Good examples thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc View Post
    Punching to the head is not the smartest thing someone can do, and punching to the tip of the mandible will hurt you as much as him. Hand = 27 tiny bones. Head = one big bone. Winner = head. (Thus the term "Bonehead.")
    well technically the skull is a number of plates that come together at seems which are fairly weak. While I do not reccomend a wild punch to the head as it is bony and sharp... there are ways and targets on the head that are highly effective.

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