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    I was in a road rage incident recently where a guy pulled a gun on me. I was driving down a busy road at noon and as I approached the highway the black SUV in the lane next to me suddenly swerved in to my lane. I had to jerk the wheel sideways to avoid getting hit, which caused two of my tires to go off the road and caused me to lose control of the vehicle. I looked over and realized the guy in the car next to me was holding his cell phone up in front of his face and poking the screen with his other hand. No eyes on the road, no hands on the wheel. I managed to get the wheel under control and honked the horn at the other vehicle to alert him that he was in my lane. When I did, he dropped his phone and grabbed his wheel and steered his vehicle back in to his lane and started waving his arms and screaming at me through my open window. I yelled back for him to put his phone down and not run me off the road and then continued on to the off ramp intersection. At that intersection, the light turned red and I had to stop and he pulled up next to me and started screaming at me through the window again. "You wanna get out of your car? Get out of your car! Let's go! We can f**king fight right now! Get out of your car! Get out of your car!" I yelled back for him to roll up his window. "Just roll up your window man! Just roll up your window!" He continued to yell at me and I just continued to repeat myself. At that point, he pulled out a handgun and held it up in between us and said "What now?" And I replied "Now I'm calling the cops bro." At that point, the light turned green, I hit the gas and glanced back to get his license plate and he turned off and went east down the off ramp. At that point I consulted with my wife and some friends of mine and decided to call the police and report the incident. A few minutes later I spoke with a police officer who took my report and then told me they were too busy to look in to it today but they'd have some detectives look the guy up at his home later and if I didn't hear from them in the next few weeks I should call them again.

    That was pretty much the end of it. I'm fine. I was fine at the time. Even while it was happening I was thinking to myself, "Just stay in your car man. If you get out of your car, he'll get out of his car, and then you're having a fist fight on an overpass." I also realized that if I got out of my car then this would escalate from a self defense situation to a mutual combat situation, and legally I'd have little or no defense for violence after that moment. Of course, once he introduced a firearm to the situation I did what I recommend to all my students and got the hell out of dodge.

    I made a few mistakes here. I shouldn't have yelled at him to put his phone down and I shouldn't have yelled at him to roll up his window, I should have just ignored him and rolled up my window and continued down the road. That being said, I feel alright about how I handled this situation. Where he almost ran me off the road, tried to start a fight, and then pulled a gun on me; I managed to control my vehicle, tried to de-escalate the situation, and managed to not get shot and got away. All things being equal, I call that successful self defense. Based on all my experience with law enforcement, I really don't expect any follow up by the police. But I also don't expect to ever see this guy again either. Just a weird moment with a crazy person in traffic. I'm unharmed and went on with my life. I was shaky for about an hour from the adrenaline crash, but other than that I was pretty much unaffected by what happened. This was the first time anyone has ever pulled a gun on me in anger, but not the first time I've ever had to navigate my way through a potentially violent confrontation.

    I don't know what the other guy's problem was. He looked like a relatively successful young man. Late twenties or early thirties, white, very fit, short hair, driving a nice black SUV with his dog in the passenger seat. Other than the whole "pointing guns at people in traffic" thing, I would have guessed that he had his life together. Oh well. Guess you never can tell.

    The world is a dangerous place. This could very easily have gone far worse than it did. Stay safe, stay in control, don't allow other people to escalate you in to a violent confrontation, and remember the number one rule of self defense. Live to fight another day.


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    My fuse used to be pretty short. Age added some length to it. I'm glad nothing bad happened but I was kind of hoping to read that he was still trying to remove said weapon from his rectum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jdinca View Post
    My fuse used to be pretty short. Age added some length to it. I'm glad nothing bad happened but I was kind of hoping to read that he was still trying to remove said weapon from his rectum.
    Ha! No. At that range I wouldn't try to close with a guy who had a gun in his hand. Especially since I'd have to get out of my car and go all the way around his car to the driver's side. I don't recommend engaging with a gun unless you're already within arm's reach. There is a part of me that wishes I'd "taught him a lesson" but I know that's just my animal brain. My wife is just glad I didn't die.


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    Yeah, gun play changes everything. That's time to head quickly in a different direction.
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    The police response was amazing!

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    Quote Originally Posted by nelson View Post
    The police response was amazing!
    Yah. I guess it's just the response I expected. Three times in the last five years I've been the victim of a crime and gone to the police. The first time they refused to collect the security video evidence of the event, the second time they threatened to arrest ME for leaving the scene, and Tuesday they were just super super busy. That's why I don't talk to police. But my wife and some friends of mine in law enforcement convinced me that it was the right thing to do for public safety, so I reported him anyway just in case.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Thesemindz View Post
    But my wife and some friends of mine in law enforcement convinced me that it was the right thing to do for public safety, so I reported him anyway just in case.


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    It was the right thing to do. Unfortunately, it doesn't look like the response will do anything for public safety. If the event is not I/P or J/O then the response is not forthcoming. Only so much manpower is available.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Takai View Post
    It was the right thing to do. Unfortunately, it doesn't look like the response will do anything for public safety. If the event is not I/P or J/O then the response is not forthcoming. Only so much manpower is available.
    Maybe. I'd like to know how many speeding tickets were handed out that day after I made the report. Just sayin.


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    Some cops are dedicated and want to make a difference. Others only want to put in their time and collect their benefits. From what I've seen the leadership or lack of it is the determining factor. In my area the city PD sucks but the sheriffs department is outstanding.

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    Scary account. Having been involved in a couple of incidents myself and having spoke to others who have lost their mind in road rage fever, it still makes me shake my head. Last time it happened to me it involved a person in a delivery van slamming on their brakes in front of me and coming to a complete stop on a 3 lane highway. Luckily it did not escalate to a point of a gun being pulled (probably in large part to the gun registry still being in effect at the time....lol, yeah right). Glad to hear things worked out well and I wouldn't say your adrenaline induced response should be condemned too much, you are human and hindsight is always 20/20.

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodyfish View Post
    Scary account. Having been involved in a couple of incidents myself and having spoke to others who have lost their mind in road rage fever, it still makes me shake my head. Last time it happened to me it involved a person in a delivery van slamming on their brakes in front of me and coming to a complete stop on a 3 lane highway. Luckily it did not escalate to a point of a gun being pulled (probably in large part to the gun registry still being in effect at the time....lol, yeah right). Glad to hear things worked out well and I wouldn't say your adrenaline induced response should be condemned too much, you are human and hindsight is always 20/20.
    I felt good that even in an adrenalized state my instincts were to stay in my car, try to get the guy to go away, collect information, and flee the scene. He obviously had a very different set of "go to" responses.


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    I must be living in Disneyland or something, but if you wave a gun around here, you will be confronted by the police.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KenpoChanger View Post
    I must be living in Disneyland or something, but if you wave a gun around here, you will be confronted by the police.
    No kidding. Idaho is about as liberal on gun laws as you can get, but if you brandish a weapon, there will be a knock on your door.

    Of course, if someone pulls a weapon here, chances are the other guy will pull something bigger.
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    Rob -- I damn near killed a guy in an intersection once. Broke him up pretty bad. Spent the next months waiting for a DA warrant to be served at my home. The more I watch these "Life in Jail" shows on late nite cable, the more I appreciate my freedom to shave, crap, etc., without being hawked by a CO or angry gang-rat hoping to up his cred by sticking me during dinner. There's an old poem,

    He who fights and runs away, lives to fight another day.
    He who stands both bold and brave, digs himself an early grave.

    Sometimes, discretion really is the better part of valor. Wanna have more fun with it next time? Get his license plate, and "accidentally" add to the story that you're pretty sure he popped off a round at you. Gets a better police response. Of course, it could've been a coincidental backfire, but I'm pretty sure I heard a "pop" while he was aiming that thing at me... lemme go check my car for holes.

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    Good comment about the "pop". You can always say you must have been mistaken in your "excitement". LOL!!

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    I was in a road rage incident recently where a guy pulled a gun on me. I was driving down a busy road at noon and as I approached the highway the black SUV in the lane next to me suddenly swerved in to my lane. I had to jerk the wheel sideways to avoid getting hit, which caused two of my tires to go off the road and caused me to lose control of the vehicle. I looked over and realized the guy in the car next to me was holding his cell phone up in front of his face and poking the screen with his other hand. No eyes on the road, no hands on the wheel. I managed to get the wheel under control and honked the horn at the other vehicle to alert him that he was in my lane. When I did, he dropped his phone and grabbed his wheel and steered his vehicle back in to his lane and started waving his arms and screaming at me through my open window. I yelled back for him to put his phone down and not run me off the road and then continued on to the off ramp intersection. At that intersection, the light turned red and I had to stop and he pulled up next to me and started screaming at me through the window again. "You wanna get out of your car? Get out of your car! Let's go! We can f**king fight right now! Get out of your car! Get out of your car!" I yelled back for him to roll up his window. "Just roll up your window man! Just roll up your window!" He continued to yell at me and I just continued to repeat myself. At that point, he pulled out a handgun and held it up in between us and said "What now?" And I replied "Now I'm calling the cops bro." At that point, the light turned green, I hit the gas and glanced back to get his license plate and he turned off and went east down the off ramp. At that point I consulted with my wife and some friends of mine and decided to call the police and report the incident. A few minutes later I spoke with a police officer who took my report and then told me they were too busy to look in to it today but they'd have some detectives look the guy up at his home later and if I didn't hear from them in the next few weeks I should call them again.

    That was pretty much the end of it. I'm fine. I was fine at the time. Even while it was happening I was thinking to myself, "Just stay in your car man. If you get out of your car, he'll get out of his car, and then you're having a fist fight on an overpass." I also realized that if I got out of my car then this would escalate from a self defense situation to a mutual combat situation, and legally I'd have little or no defense for violence after that moment. Of course, once he introduced a firearm to the situation I did what I recommend to all my students and got the hell out of dodge.

    I made a few mistakes here. I shouldn't have yelled at him to put his phone down and I shouldn't have yelled at him to roll up his window, I should have just ignored him and rolled up my window and continued down the road. That being said, I feel alright about how I handled this situation. Where he almost ran me off the road, tried to start a fight, and then pulled a gun on me; I managed to control my vehicle, tried to de-escalate the situation, and managed to not get shot and got away. All things being equal, I call that successful self defense. Based on all my experience with law enforcement, I really don't expect any follow up by the police. But I also don't expect to ever see this guy again either. Just a weird moment with a crazy person in traffic. I'm unharmed and went on with my life. I was shaky for about an hour from the adrenaline crash, but other than that I was pretty much unaffected by what happened. This was the first time anyone has ever pulled a gun on me in anger, but not the first time I've ever had to navigate my way through a potentially violent confrontation.

    I don't know what the other guy's problem was. He looked like a relatively successful young man. Late twenties or early thirties, white, very fit, short hair, driving a nice black SUV with his dog in the passenger seat. Other than the whole "pointing guns at people in traffic" thing, I would have guessed that he had his life together. Oh well. Guess you never can tell.

    The world is a dangerous place. This could very easily have gone far worse than it did. Stay safe, stay in control, don't allow other people to escalate you in to a violent confrontation, and remember the number one rule of self defense. Live to fight another day.


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    Well, first off, I'm glad to hear you're ok. That situation could've got VERY ugly. One thing that concerns me, is the lack of concern on the part of the cops. They were too busy to investigate that? I call BS on that. Sorry, but something of that nature would have been taken very serious where I work. I dont know the gun laws in your state, but I'd wager a bet, this jackass didn't have the gun legally, and if he did, shame on him for acting like that. Ya gotta love *******s like this piece of ****. Punk is too busy texting to focus on the road, almost causes a crash, you beep and he gets pissed at you? Go figure.

    Anyways, I hope the cops follow up on this. Again, glad to hear you're ok.

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    Have you followed up with the local constabulary to see what they did?
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    Glad your ok Rob and I think you did the right thing. You never know who you're dealing with, could be a guy having a bad day or someone out to earn his stripes, either way you got home safe.

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