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    Default Re: Article/Blog on "hard" vs. "soft" blocking

    Striking is when your weapon accelerates through the target. Pushing is when your wepaon decelerates after meeting the target.
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    Default Re: Article/Blog on "hard" vs. "soft" blocking

    Quote Originally Posted by jdinca View Post
    This is where I have a problem. When I think "pushing energy" I visualize an improperly done, poor block. Regardless of what the OP calls "soft" vs. "hard". I will go out on a limb and make a declaration that if you consider a "parry" or "soft" block to be "riding" the limb and pushing it out of the way, unless your purpose is to grab the arm next, you're doing it wrong. We can get into the nuances of "it depends" next. I also think the soft blocks are more versatile.

    There, someone needs to prove me wrong and with details, tell me why. I think there's so much emphasis on the "hard" blocks that we treat the softer blocks or parrys with the same disdain most people appear to have for the rear kick, based on the video evidence we've seen.
    I think you and I are very close in our thoughts on this. A soft block simply redirects without much force, it doesn't necessarily maintain contact with the limb. Parries, brush blocks, deflecting blocks, windmill blocks would also all fit into this catagory. As I see it, when applying the soft concept to inward and outward blocks it's taking the motion down to what could be described as a very small parrying action.

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    Default Re: Article/Blog on "hard" vs. "soft" blocking

    Quote Originally Posted by Eastcoastkenpoist View Post
    Striking is when your weapon accelerates through the target. Pushing is when your wepaon decelerates after meeting the target.
    Would follow through vs no follow through be another way to put it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nelson View Post
    How does this jive with delivering a straight right hand that rapidly "decelerates" after making contact with your opponents jaw? F still does equal MA irregardless of what you call the punch. It also does not take into account the rapid withdrawal of the striking hand that greatly increases the transmitted power from the "snap" that comes with the whip effect.
    Could you clarify the question? Are you asking how a soft block would work against that punch?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eastcoastkenpoist View Post
    I am not the rule maker, but I am sick of these go no where conversations. Where everyone is afraid to define things, to actually start to discuss something with meaning.
    sry I thought we were discussing the article, not having a vague discussion of what people think "hard vs soft blocking" might mean.

    so on that topic, is "riding" part of the Official Ed Parker's Kenpo definition of a parry? If so, what does that mean?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidCC View Post
    sry I thought we were discussing the article, not having a vague discussion of what people think "hard vs soft blocking" might mean.

    so on that topic, is "riding" part of the Official Ed Parker's Kenpo definition of a parry? If so, what does that mean?
    Actually we were just starting to get away from vague.

    Why don't you share, "the Official Ed Parker's Kenpo definition of a parry".
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    Quote Originally Posted by kenporider View Post
    Would follow through vs no follow through be another way to put it?
    No. You can follow through whether you push or strike a target out of the way.
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    Default Re: Article/Blog on "hard" vs. "soft" blocking

    Quote Originally Posted by Eastcoastkenpoist View Post
    No. You can follow through whether you push or strike a target out of the way.
    Ok, that would be a parry. Now let's look at a soft inward block. It would be a small parrying action without any follow through (or an extremely small amount), just getting the punch off center. Think about sparring and your opponant throws a jab. Your time to react is very minimal and all you have time to do is move your hand over to redirect the punch and immediately counter with the same hand with a backfist or sword hand. This would be a soft block and the counter would be used to set up another, harder strike. You could also use the same soft block to "pass" the limb to the other hand to clear it and use a harder follow up strike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kenporider View Post
    Ok, that would be a parry. Now let's look at a soft inward block. It would be a small parrying action without any follow through (or an extremely small amount), just getting the punch off center. Think about sparring and your opponant throws a jab. Your time to react is very minimal and all you have time to do is move your hand over to redirect the punch and immediately counter with the same hand with a backfist or sword hand. This would be a soft block and the counter would be used to set up another, harder strike. You could also use the same soft block to "pass" the limb to the other hand to clear it and use a harder follow up strike.
    Here is why talking about Blocking and parrying falls apart. Blocking and parrying are 2 types of checking.

    There are 5 types of checking and 1 is evading me right now.

    But what you are explaining would be a positional check.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nelson View Post
    How does this jive with delivering a straight right hand that rapidly "decelerates" after making contact with your opponents jaw? F still does equal MA irregardless of what you call the punch. It also does not take into account the rapid withdrawal of the striking hand that greatly increases the transmitted power from the "snap" that comes with the whip effect.
    Talking about two different things. Despite what some will say, blocking and striking are not the same.
    When a punch rapidly decelerates after contact(actually after it's gone a couple of inches past contact) that's focus, or kime.
    Otherwise, the punch is more of a push. That's not saying it isn't powerful, it's just different.

    "Striking is when your weapon accelerates through the target. Pushing is when your wepaon decelerates after meeting the target."

    The above is not correct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eastcoastkenpoist View Post
    Here is why talking about Blocking and parrying falls apart. Blocking and parrying are 2 types of checking.

    There are 5 types of checking and 1 is evading me right now.

    But what you are explaining would be a positional check.
    No. A positional check is actually a defensive stance. It involves your entire body, not just holding your hand to cover a likely target, then moving it a small distance to 'block' an incoming weapon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eastcoastkenpoist View Post
    Striking is when your weapon accelerates through the target. Pushing is when your wepaon decelerates after meeting the target.
    Based on what I've learned about hard and soft blocks, if you're doing the latter, without a followup planned with the same hand, then it's incorrect.
    Be careful what you say, some may take it the wrong way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kenporider View Post
    I think you and I are very close in our thoughts on this. A soft block simply redirects without much force, it doesn't necessarily maintain contact with the limb. Parries, brush blocks, deflecting blocks, windmill blocks would also all fit into this catagory. As I see it, when applying the soft concept to inward and outward blocks it's taking the motion down to what could be described as a very small parrying action.
    Bingo. There are times when you may just want a slight redirect, but that's just adjusting the block to the need. The techniques where this is valid for me are the ones where you're using an outward parry just to guide the arm past your head, or an inward/outward parry combination, because that's the position you want the attacker in for the response.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kenporider View Post
    Could you clarify the question? Are you asking how a soft block would work against that punch?
    He's replying to ECK's definition of hard versus soft.
    Be careful what you say, some may take it the wrong way.

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    Default Re: Article/Blog on "hard" vs. "soft" blocking

    Quote Originally Posted by MarkC View Post
    No. A positional check is actually a defensive stance. It involves your entire body, not just holding your hand to cover a likely target, then moving it a small distance to 'block' an incoming weapon.
    I think it may not be translating in a way that makes sense. I'm off on Saturday if you'd like to get together and go over it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eastcoastkenpoist View Post
    Actually we were just starting to get away from vague.

    Why don't you share, "the Official Ed Parker's Kenpo definition of a parry".
    I figured some student of EP Kenpo might be able to do that, but I can google it up...

    PARRY - Redirecting a blow or kick by riding or going with the force.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidCC View Post
    I figured some student of EP Kenpo might be able to do that, but I can google it up...

    PARRY - Redirecting a blow or kick by riding or going with the force.
    Pretty close to what I stated, Thanks for the google.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarkC View Post
    No. A positional check is actually a defensive stance. It involves your entire body, not just holding your hand to cover a likely target, then moving it a small distance to 'block' an incoming weapon.
    You are thinking of a hugging check, which is a type of positional check.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eastcoastkenpoist View Post
    You are thinking of a hugging check, which is a type of positional check.
    No, I'm not thinking of a hugging check. What I wrote is what is actually meant by "positional check", as opposed to what many people refer to when they use the term.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarkC View Post
    No, I'm not thinking of a hugging check. What I wrote is what is actually meant by "positional check", as opposed to what many people refer to when they use the term.
    If my right arm is left in a position of an outward extended block, isn't it positionally checking against a roundhouse style left punch to the head?
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