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    Default Re: Article/Blog on "hard" vs. "soft" blocking

    Quote Originally Posted by jdinca View Post
    I run into that when talking about a "soft hand block". I just call it an inward parry now, even though the Kenpo definition appears to be slightly different.
    I usually conceptualize it as the first half of a brush block.

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    Default Re: Article/Blog on "hard" vs. "soft" blocking

    I don't think the author knows as much as he thinks he does. For example, he defines the difference between hard and soft blocks in a ridiculous way : hard blocks stop an attack dead, soft blocks are everything else. The whole mess about torquing the forearm is an illusion - you trade real structure and power for the likelihood of causing a little more pain on your training partner, and a feeling that you are doing something special. But really it causes you to misalign your shoulder disconnecting it from the rest of your body's kinetic energy.

    He doesn't seem to have any more than a superficial idea of how posture can change an attacker's vulnerability. He dismisses the idea that a hard block can make an attacker more vulnerable (or at least one's ability to actually use his narrowly-defined 'hard block'), but then advocates the use of a deflecting block's ability to induce a guided collision.

    So if you wanted to map this guy's terminology to SubLevel kenpo I would say that the hammering inward block and EOB used inside looping punches would be called 'hard blocks' by the author, BAM blocks and VOBs he would call 'soft'.
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    Default Re: Article/Blog on "hard" vs. "soft" blocking

    Quote Originally Posted by Eastcoastkenpoist View Post
    Of course you could do a "soft" block with your dominant hand, but that would be unuseful on the scale of logic.

    Why would you do a soft block with your dominant hand? To setup a shot from your non-dominant hand?
    what about a right inward block against the outside of a straight left punch. That is a 'soft block' using the blog's terms, because it deflects the strike instead of stopping it.
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    Default Re: Article/Blog on "hard" vs. "soft" blocking

    Quote Originally Posted by MarkC
    And if instead of using a parry, you were to use a BAM block you not only deflect the incoming limb, you also most likely upset the attackers posture quite a bit, negatively affecting him.
    Quote Originally Posted by Eastcoastkenpoist View Post
    And by the definition given that would be a "Hard" block.
    not by the definition in the original blog post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidCC View Post
    not by the definition in the original blog post.
    Noone agree'd with the blog poster's definitions it seemed. Hence the need for an agreed upon definition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eastcoastkenpoist View Post
    Noone agree'd with the blog poster's definitions it seemed. Hence the need for an agreed upon definition.
    Who is this mysterious "Noone"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarkC View Post
    Who is this mysterious "Noone"?
    Was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt, but okay Mark C agrees with the ambiguous Soft and Hard block terminology.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eastcoastkenpoist View Post
    Was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt, but okay Mark C agrees with the ambiguous Soft and Hard block terminology.
    Don't put words in my mouth.
    I'm just cracking on your inability to spell correctly. "No one" is two words, not one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarkC View Post
    Don't put words in my mouth.
    I'm just cracking on your inability to spell correctly. "No one" is two words, not one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarkC View Post
    Don't put words in my mouth.
    I'm just cracking on your inability to spell correctly. "No one" is two words, not one.
    NOONE Cares... :O)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eastcoastkenpoist View Post
    Noone agree'd with the blog poster's definitions it seemed. Hence the need for an agreed upon definition.
    Sure, but that hasn't appeared yet either...

    but anyway, what about a right inward block to the outside of a straight left. That's a redirecting block with the dominant hand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidCC View Post
    Sure, but that hasn't appeared yet either...

    but anyway, what about a right inward block to the outside of a straight left. That's a redirecting block with the dominant hand.
    What are you looking for? Are we calling an "inward block" as hard?
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    Default Re: Article/Blog on "hard" vs. "soft" blocking

    It seems that the author's literal definition of a block would require getting hit so...I agree, that would be bad.

    Here's how I would define them:

    Noone is a guy that usually shows up around 12:00pm every day.

    A hard block would be a striking type of block and a soft block would be a redirection including parries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kenporider View Post
    It seems that the author's literal definition of a block would require getting hit so...I agree, that would be bad.

    Here's how I would define them:

    Noone is a guy that usually shows up around 12:00pm every day.

    A hard block would be a striking type of block and a soft block would be a redirection including parries.
    For sake of a definition, so that we can move on... Doesn't a striking block cause a redirection?

    Would a hard block uses striking energy and redirects the force, where a parry or soft block uses pushing energy and rides the force work?
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    Default Re: Article/Blog on "hard" vs. "soft" blocking

    Quote Originally Posted by Eastcoastkenpoist View Post
    For sake of a definition, so that we can move on... Doesn't a striking block cause a redirection?

    Would a hard block uses striking energy and redirects the force, where a parry or soft block uses pushing energy and rides the force work?
    Pretty much what I was getting at, one has a striking force and the other doesn't. Works for me.

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    Default Re: Article/Blog on "hard" vs. "soft" blocking

    Close enough maybe, though any kind of block has to redirect the force to whatever extent, hard or soft, or it isn't really doing anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarkC View Post
    Close enough maybe, though any kind of block has to redirect the force to whatever extent, hard or soft, or it isn't really doing anything.
    Adjust the definition or accept it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eastcoastkenpoist View Post
    Adjust the definition or accept it.
    Did somebody appoint you the rule-maker?

    "a hard block uses striking energy , where a parry or soft block uses pushing energy."

    Not to be cofused with the incorrect idea that every block is a strike, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarkC View Post
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    Did somebody appoint you the rule-maker?

    "a hard block uses striking energy , where a parry or soft block uses pushing energy."

    Not to be cofused with the incorrect idea that every block is a strike, etc.
    I am not the rule maker, but I am sick of these go no where conversations. Where everyone is afraid to define things, to actually start to discuss something with meaning.
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    Default Re: Article/Blog on "hard" vs. "soft" blocking

    Quote Originally Posted by MarkC View Post
    "a hard block uses striking energy , where a parry or soft block uses pushing energy."
    This is where I have a problem. When I think "pushing energy" I visualize an improperly done, poor block. Regardless of what the OP calls "soft" vs. "hard". I will go out on a limb and make a declaration that if you consider a "parry" or "soft" block to be "riding" the limb and pushing it out of the way, unless your purpose is to grab the arm next, you're doing it wrong. We can get into the nuances of "it depends" next. I also think the soft blocks are more versatile.

    There, someone needs to prove me wrong and with details, tell me why. I think there's so much emphasis on the "hard" blocks that we treat the softer blocks or parrys with the same disdain most people appear to have for the rear kick, based on the video evidence we've seen.
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