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    Cool website to help find the acupuncture points.

    http://www.acuxo.com/index.asp
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    AWESOME!! WAY KEWL!! Thanks for posting that!!
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    I've been using Acuxo for a long time, it's VERY good!
    Thanks for sharing it here.

    There's also a section here on KT that has all of the accupoints listed and detailed. When used in combination with the charts on acuxo....it's GREAT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawke View Post
    Cool website to help find the acupuncture points.

    http://www.acuxo.com/index.asp
    Thank you.

    I did go and research it.

    I actually need much more information than is given there.

    I do recommend Donna Eden's $16 book (cheaper on Amazon), "Energy Medicine".

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    Are these points for healing or harming?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenpo Gary View Post
    Are these points for healing or harming?

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    YES!

    Both, it really depends upon HOW they are used. There's a lot that goes into using them. There are shallow studies/methods, moderately deep studies/methods and then there are VERY DEEEEP studies/methods!!!

    To be used for 'some' good effect, I don't think it's necessary to go past the "moderate" levels. On the healing side, you don't have to go that deep either to effect something along the lines of a 'home-remedy' level of treatment. BUT: IF you can find someone that can impart the DEEEEP ways of traditional Chinese medicine....weather for healing or harming, then TAKE THEM UP ON IT!!!!!!!!!!!!
    It's VERY good stuff.

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    I'll add that a long time ago Doc opened my eyes to the fact just knowing the names and locations of the points (or even the 'Destructive Cycle') is not enough to make them truly effective in combat. So just picking up a Encyclopedia is of rather limited value. Unless of course you pound the snot of the points, but then really are they deadly points if it takes a Mack truck to activate them.

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    That is Very true! There's MUCH more to it than finding a point and poking!
    (or CRUSHING)
    angle, alignment, depth of penetration, sequence...etc. etc. There's WAY more too it than mere "location".
    You can make the study of it VERY deep and complex (not always with an equal return on results) or not AS complex and deep, but still somewhat effective if the person teaching you knows what to do.

    The charts are helpful reference material for someone that already knows what their doing.
    Kinda like a road-map of L.A. County. It's handy, especially if you're from out of town, but :
    A: It's MUCH more effective/useful if you have personalized directions from a local who's BEEN to the destination you're wanting to get too.
    B: It's just a map, YOU have to know how to 'drive' already!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Drew View Post
    I'll add that a long time ago Doc opened my eyes to the fact just knowing the names and locations of the points (or even the 'Destructive Cycle') is not enough to make them truly effective in combat. So just picking up a Encyclopedia is of rather limited value. Unless of course you pound the snot of the points, but then really are they deadly points if it takes a Mack truck to activate them.
    Thank you Drew for such an intelligent post.

    I admire that.

    Maybe I'll post an article on this topic since it is so much mis-understood.

    Anyone want that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by John M. La Tourrette View Post
    Maybe I'll post an article on this topic since it is so much mis-understood.

    Anyone want that?

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    Sure. Also waiting on the relaxation in striking tips you were gonna throw up.

    Best Wishes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KenpoRoach View Post
    Sure. Also waiting on the relaxation in striking tips you were gonna throw up.

    Best Wishes.
    I did.

    If it's not here, it's probably on martialtalk.

    I've been switching back and forth between those 2 and my own site.

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    My wife has Leukemia and has been through all the Chemo. One of our students is an Acupuncturist and also an Herbalist. Learned both here and in China. He waited until my wife had all her Chemo and western medical treatment and started working with her. She has improved a lot under his care. Her lungs are no longer filling with fluids and her body
    was creating a lot of internal heat. Enough for heat rash. That stopped almost immediately. There is a lot to be said for Acupuncture treatment. It has helped her a lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sifuroy View Post
    My wife has Leukemia and has been through all the Chemo. One of our students is an Acupuncturist and also an Herbalist. Learned both here and in China. He waited until my wife had all her Chemo and western medical treatment and started working with her. She has improved a lot under his care. Her lungs are no longer filling with fluids and her body
    was creating a lot of internal heat. Enough for heat rash. That stopped almost immediately. There is a lot to be said for Acupuncture treatment. It has helped her a lot.
    Yes SifuRoy,
    That "fire" is normally caused by Triple Warmer Meridian over-arousal, which will cause imbalances in the other 11 meridians, especially the mirror-image meridian, Spleen, which govens the immune system. So the body does go into some type of auto-immune problem.

    For Energy Healing tactics (that will fit hand in glove with what the AC practitioner is doing) that will help, go to yahoo groups and join the healingenergies-essentialskills gp, or go to creaive_energies gp, or go to Donna Eden's "questions and answers" section on her page,
    www.innersource.net.

    Dr. John M. La Tourrette
    Ps. I'm so glad that the AC is working well for her. Happy New Year mi amigo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John M. La Tourrette View Post
    For Energy Healing tactics (that will fit hand in glove with what the AC practitioner is doing) that will help, go to yahoo groups and join the healingenergies-essentialskills gp, or go to creaive_energies gp, or go to Donna Eden's "questions and answers" section on her page,
    www.innersource.net.
    I highly recomend looking up a reputable practitioner of TCM. I'm a BIG believer in it myself.

    I'm not all that familiar with Ms. Eden, never heard of her to be honest.
    But David Feinstein and his so-called "Energy Psychology" is pure, luke warm, hog wash..........as they say in the back country.
    ...but that's just my opinion.

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    Ditto on the TCM. I've had limited but satisfactory experiences. Just be certain to check the credentials as with everything there are good and bad. I've done some research into herbal treatments and been quite pleased with their results over western chemicals.

    As to David Feinstein and "Energy Psychology", I'm not familiar with it, though brief search on Google turned up alot of hits, none in the first 100 seemed negative.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Hubbard View Post
    Ditto on the TCM. I've had limited but satisfactory experiences. Just be certain to check the credentials as with everything there are good and bad. I've done some research into herbal treatments and been quite pleased with their results over western chemicals.

    As to David Feinstein and "Energy Psychology", I'm not familiar with it, though brief search on Google turned up alot of hits, none in the first 100 seemed negative.
    My father had severe gout in his knees. It wasn't responsive to any of the drugs/treatments that his doctors gave him. Later, our family pastor recomended a Chiropractor who's also trained in TCM. He took certain herbs 'suggested' by the Chiropractor and had something like 8 sessions of accupuncture....
    WORKED A MIRACLE for him!!!
    ....and he even went into it believing it'd do NOTHING for him.

    AS for Mr. Feinstein....and "Energy Psychology"
    I suppose my opinion is pretty biased. I majored in Pscyhology and even enjoy studying what most academics would consider "Fringe Psych" at best. But I feel that his "Energy Psychology" is pretty much a mish mash of new-age fluff.
    Mostly.......
    Well...

    I'll keep the REST of THAT opinion to myself.
    My opinion is that it stinks to high heaven.
    BUT.....that's nothing but MY opinion.


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    ---Quote (Originally by Brother John)---
    But David Feinstein and his so-called "Energy Psychology" is pure, luke
    warm, hog wash..........as they say in the back country.
    ...but that's just my opinion.
    ---End Quote---

    (permission to post this granted by owner of kenpotalk, which does not mean that he agrees with me or agrees with me. Dr. John La Tourrette)

    First, I do NOT normally respond to anything Mr. Haag writes, because
    our minds do NOT think alike.

    So I ignore his posts for the most part. Why? Because using Mr. Haag's
    own polite words, "I find his words luke, warm, hog wash".

    But Mr. Haag just slandered a friend of mine, a friend of mind that Mr.
    Haag ADMITS he knows nothing about.

    This is NOT for Mr. Haag because he's letting his UNTRAINED OPINION
    (NOTICE Mr. Haag stated it was his OPINION, which means he's got NO
    EVIDENCE to back up his premise) get in the way of any type of clear
    thinking.

    First DOCTOR David Feinstein is a very reputable Clinical Psychologist
    and is one of the top authors in the field. If his credentials and
    experiences were to be ranked by a black belt, he would be an 8th to
    10th degree black belt level.

    David does LIVE what he teaches and is one of the OUTSTANDING
    AUTHORITIES in that field of Energy Psychology (and also Clinical
    Psychology), being published in the major psychological journals.

    He has also 7 published books in the psychological fields spanning 25
    years of time.

    And it is NOT David's Energy Psychology but was started by another
    Clinical Psychologist (Dr. Rodger Callahan) about 35 years ago.

    I am curious why you are slandering with a KNOW NOTHING OPINION,
    someone that is an authority in a field you really do NOT know
    anything about?

    And, "NO I am NOT TAUNTING" a moderator, but I am asking DIRECT
    questions of someone (a poster) that is giving out false information
    for a purpose of their own.

    I'm curious to what, IF ANY, credentials Mr. Haag has in that field?

    I'm curious to how much time, IF ANY, Mr. Haag has spent using those
    very valid and very effective Energy Psychology skills?

    I'm curious if Mr. Haag has even looked at what Dr. Feinstein has
    written, and at the vast amount of research that has been done in the
    Energy Psychology field in the last 30 years?

    I'm curious if Mr. Haag has looked at the clinical comparisons between
    many branches of therapy and Energy Psychology?

    And I've been using Energy Psychology daily and very effectively with
    people for over 10 years, and it's way beyond most cognitive training
    skills taught.

    For anyone that wants to know, and to look for themselves, go to
    www.emofree.com (http://www.emofree.com/), Gary Craig's site and learn
    that simple and very easy method of Energy Psychology.

    Or go to www.innersource.net (http://www.innersource.net/), which will
    lead you to many other VALID and PROVEN skills of Energy Psychology.

    Dr. John M. La Tourrette
    Certified EFT Practitioner,
    Certified Advanced Thought Field PractitionER
    Certified Energy Medicine Trainer, blab, blab, blab.
    By the way, I am NOT bragging, but doing something I wish more who POST THEIR UNEDUCATED OPINIONS DO...but don't do... somehow VALIDATE the words that sprue like puke from their lips.
    The reasons the credentials are given is so the readers will realize
    that I am NOT giving an OPINION, which is all that Mr. Haag gave, and
    he ADMITS DOING IT!

    This man Mr. Haag is supposed to be a moderator? Am I the only one here
    that is offended by a moderator slandering someone? (NOTE: Mr. Broad just sent me an email stating that moderator's can have their own opinions. His presupposition is "I can also have my own opinions.")
    Last edited by John M. La Tourrette; 01-02-2008 at 07:15 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brother John View Post
    AS for Mr. Feinstein....and "Energy Psychology"
    I suppose my opinion is pretty biased. I majored in Pscyhology and even enjoy studying what most academics would consider "Fringe Psych" at best. But I feel that his "Energy Psychology" is pretty much a mish mash of new-age fluff.
    Mostly.......
    Well...

    I'll keep the REST of THAT opinion to myself.
    My opinion is that it stinks to high heaven.
    BUT.....that's nothing but MY opinion.


    Well Mr. Haag,

    We can all tell it’s your opinion, you even spelled Psychology WRONG.

    Reader’s note Mr. Haag’s spelling as “Pscyhology”, which is just another demonstrate that he are giving us brainless opinions on a topic he is totally ignorant on. And again USING HIS OWN POLITE WORDS, “Mr. Haag’s opinion STINKS TO HIGH HEAVEN!”

    And MY educated opinion, through 10 years of study and training and working with clients on a one-on-one basis and in groups is that Mr. Haag’s OPINION IS BIASED, YEARS OUT-OF-DATE AND TOTALLY UNINFORMED! He did demonstrate a slanted prejudice version purposefully!

    So any one that wants the reality versus Mr. Haag’s inaccurate opinion go to http://www.innersource.net/energy_psych/articles/ep_energy-trauma-treatment.htm, and read and learn for yourself. You can then ignore his opinion.

    And I am very curious why he showed his IGNORANCE about a topic he knows nothing about, has admitted knowing nothing about, but is continuing pretending to be credible about?

    For those that want a credible introduction to REAL Energy Psychology go here. http://www.innersource.net/energy_psych/ep_article_intro-to-ep_phobia.htm.

    And, Psychology, as a college course is NOT Energy Psychology. No more than using leeches to cure gout is a current practice.

    Those who want the new research and findings on Energy Psychology and the
    NEUROLOGICAL FOUNDATIONS OF ENERGY PSYCHOLOGY, go here.
    http://www.innersource.net/energy_psych/epi_neuro_foundations.htm.

    Those who want the preliminary RESEARCH, go here.
    http://www.innersource.net/energy_psych/epi_research.htm.

    Dr. John M. La Tourrette
    Ps. For those that actually want skills instead of “biased crap”, go to amazon.com and get the following research books and How-to books. Energy Psychology Interactive. Dr. David Feinstein. The Promise of Energy Psychology (a simplified version for people that do NOT have a psychology background). Energy Psychology in Psychotherapy by Dr. Fred Gallo. Energy Tapping by Gallo & Vincenzi. And there are many, many other resources out there.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Hubbard View Post
    Ditto on the TCM. I've had limited but satisfactory experiences. Just be certain to check the credentials as with everything there are good and bad. I've done some research into herbal treatments and been quite pleased with their results over western chemicals.

    As to David Feinstein and "Energy Psychology", I'm not familiar with it, though brief search on Google turned up alot of hits, none in the first 100 seemed negative.
    Thank you Bob for checking.

    I loved the part about "CHECKING THE CREDENTIALS"!

    Dr. John M. La Tourrette

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    Quote Originally Posted by John M. La Tourrette View Post
    ---Quote (Originally by Brother John)---
    But David Feinstein and his so-called "Energy Psychology" is pure, luke
    warm, hog wash..........as they say in the back country.
    ...but that's just my opinion.
    ---End Quote---
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    Mr. La Tourrette-

    I've upset you in expressing my opinion.
    That's pretty clear.

    I'll clear up some things for you.

    You've assumed that I've not looked into it, but I have.
    You've also assumed that I'm untrained in the field of Psychology, but I'm not. I've even questioned others about it whom are a great deal more qualified to have an opinion on it than almost anyone.

    I didn’t “slander” anyone. I think the word you’re reaching for is “libel”, as this is the written word and not verbal speech. …a very minor point. But I didn't do that either. I stated an opinion.


    I noted that in the web-site you referenced above it had “Energy Psychology” by Mr. D. Feinstein. Therefore in my opinion, it calls into question all that it is associated with on the page. I too am college educated in Psychology and could site titles and years of experience working in the mental health field…but it doesn’t matter. Not relevant here, so why bother?

    I have a few instructors and mentors in the field of psychology that I keep in touch with on a regular basis. One has been the Dean of a fully accredited PhD Psych program at the University I attended. Another is a practicing Psychiatrist at a facility who’s name is known around the world for it’s cutting edge treatment of severe psychosis. Both are friends of mine (one was even a groomsman at my wedding). They’ve both written in professional journals numerous times. ((there….enough name dropping and “credential” waving. Makes me feel dirty.)) I’ve spoken to both of these gentlemen on “Energy Psychology” before. They keep up on the latest works in their field, yet neither had ever heard of “energy psychology”…and had to google it. After reading up on it for a while they both sought assurance that I wasn’t going to waste my time on it first, and then had a good laugh once they were relieved at my answer of “NO”.

    Simple as that. SO…..from my own looking into it (which I have done, and my opinion is not “untrained” as you assumed) and from that of HIGHLY trained professionals….. In my opinion, it’s not something to take seriously.

    Here’s where you are correct though Mr. LaTourette.
    I don’t know Mr. Feinstein, nor am I aware that he’s written anything in any journal or any books. I’ll just have to assume that you do know him and can vouch well for his character, as you’ve done here. So…as far as the person of Mr. Feinstein, I’m in NO position to judge.


    On “energy Psychology”…I can state my opinion and those of professionals in the field I know well. Done that....

    I could trudge through your last few posts and show you all of the places that you are again condecending and rude..
    but it would do no good. Such things have been pointed out to you in ample measure before, and to no good.



    You say that you usually ignore what I say and have to type. That's fine.
    I had no idea you disliked me THAT much, but such is your right. I'll not point it out every time you mis-spell something or use very poor grammar. It'd take up time that I could be using to try to be positive. Which I'd much rather be known for than being pissy and rude.

    ..so I guess I'll just suggest you go right back to ignoring me again, if that makes you more comfortable.

    We'll both sleep well.



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    PS: This jaunt off into "energy psychology" is a huge side-track to this thread. I'm awfully sorry. It wasn't my intent.
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