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    Any know or care to guess what the leading cause of death is amongest Kenpoist? Is there any data on the subject? I'm sure it's not Ninjas attacking in the parking lot. My bet is heart attack but thats just an armchair assumption.

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    I think you're right about the heart attack.

    It seems there's an unfortunate thing that happens to older kenpoists. They seem to often grow big bellies.

    We had a discussion about how much the instructors still workout, etc.

    I would think that if I were running a school, I'd want to lead by example and not just rely on muscle-memory to show the students.

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    I think this is a problem not just in Kenpo but America right now. I am guilty myself of being obese at a point in my life after getting out of the army. I have seen overwieght TKD practitioners, FMArtist, Judoka, and Jiu Jitsu stylist. I do not think this is just specific to kenpo.

    Although we do have a number of high ranking guys with battles with the bellies, I think it would not be out of proportion with any other group or ecosystem lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hunter
    I think this is a problem not just in Kenpo but America right now. I am guilty myself of being obese at a point in my life after getting out of the army. I have seen overwieght TKD practitioners, FMArtist, Judoka, and Jiu Jitsu stylist. I do not think this is just specific to kenpo.

    Although we do have a number of high ranking guys with battles with the bellies, I think it would not be out of proportion with any other group or ecosystem lol
    I wasn't meaning to pick on kenpo people specifically. I'm sure it's everywhere. I don't spend a lot of time in the other systems though.

    I feel for people who have weight/food issues. My mom says she thinks about food all the time, even after she just ate. My sister does the comfort food thing.

    As for me, if I didn't have to eat, I probably wouldn't very often. I think eating usually isn't very interesting and it certainly is time consuming.

    I'm big into the Atkins drinks. Not because I'm trying to lose weight, but because it's a great meal replacement and since I forget to eat a lot, it keeps me from crashing.

    Eating is a habit that I just can't seem to break!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dcastiglione
    Any know or care to guess what the leading cause of death is amongest Kenpoist? Is there any data on the subject? I'm sure it's not Ninjas attacking in the parking lot. My bet is heart attack but thats just an armchair assumption.
    I concur, that seems to be the main cause for alot of us.
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    Half of the population is either overweight or obese. This deffinitley leads to cardio vascular disease. And I agree with Amy, sipping back on grandpas old cough medicine will only make it worse. Getting the whole beer belly and all.
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    I think obesity is a huge problem in America. Only one of the students in my Kenpo class didn't have a weight issue. He was fresh outta High School though. Life hadden't kicked in yet. I don't over eat, and I excersize. All I had to do was give birth to three kids...instant weight gain! I would recomend the Body for Life program. It really helped me, cause without weight training, that belly gut that Amy referred to won't go away.

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    For anyone who is interested here is the latest stats on diabetes:

    - 80% are Type II (Now called insulin indepedent since insulin is being mad it just dosent get int the cells)
    - 20% are Type I (Insulin dependent, the imune system attacks the pancrease so no insulin is made)
    - Diabetes is the leading couse of blindsness.

    Risk factors for Type II:
    - Body Mass Index (BMI) over 25
    - Over the age of 45
    - Types of sedentary lifestyle
    - Genetics
    Long term consequences of Type II:
    - Amputations
    - Blindness
    - A higher risk of CVD (cardio vascuar disease), they have 2 times more to get CVD
    - Kidney and nerve damage

    If you think you are diabetic there are two main tests:

    Fasting plasma GLucose Tolerance Test
    - You fast for 8-12 hours than blood is drawn
    - 100 milligrams/decileter of glucose left in body is normal
    - Anything greater tan 126 mg/dL is abnormal (diabetic)

    Oral Glucose Tolerance Test
    - Fasting occurs again
    - Blood is drawn (this reading becomes the "base line")
    - Drink 50 grams of glucose
    - 2 hours later blood is drawn again
    - Anything below 140 mg/dL = normal
    - Anything above 200 mg/dL in blood is diabetic

    Symptoms of Type II:
    - Fatigue
    - Polyuria - frequent urination - there is usually a honey smell to it
    - Polydipsia - excessive thirst
    - Polyphagia - excessive hunger and eating
    - Blurred vision
    - Frequent infections

    Some treatments for type II diabetes:
    - Get to a heathy body weight (well duh)
    - Physical Activity
    - Eat regular small meals (no over eating, over eating also leads to diabetes)
    - Chose low glycemic foods
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    Quote Originally Posted by dcastiglione View Post
    Any know or care to guess what the leading cause of death is amongest Kenpoist? Is there any data on the subject? I'm sure it's not Ninjas attacking in the parking lot. My bet is heart attack but thats just an armchair assumption.

    Am I the only one who thinks its ninjas in the parking lot?
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    Kenpoists mirror the population so Heart disease would likely be #1 cause of death.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amylong View Post
    I think you're right about the heart attack.

    It seems there's an unfortunate thing that happens to older kenpoists. They seem to often grow big bellies.

    We had a discussion about how much the instructors still workout, etc.

    I would think that if I were running a school, I'd want to lead by example and not just rely on muscle-memory to show the students.

    --Amy
    That is an important statement and well put. Although I should add that a martial artist should not have to be in superior physical condition to defeat an opponent. That is supposedly why we study.

    But it is very important to be a good example when you are in a leadership position.

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    I have never been overweight however I have had multiple heart surgeries
    10 by passes and 2 kinds of Cancer and about six other surgeries. Have recovered from all of that. A lot of friends and a lot of the hight ranking
    kenpoists are way overweight and seem to be doing fine. Maybe I did something wrong??

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    Quote Originally Posted by dcastiglione View Post
    Any know or care to guess what the leading cause of death is amongest Kenpoist? Is there any data on the subject? I'm sure it's not Ninjas attacking in the parking lot. My bet is heart attack but thats just an armchair assumption.
    It is funny that you bring this topic up because it is actually Kempo that saved me from being obese. At 5' 8" tall I had gotten to weigh 230+ lbs. I started to feel sluggish and like a slob. I kept thinking that I needed more exercise but was too lazy to get up and do it. Then Professor Marrion (William or Bill to his friends) kept after me to get back into martial arts. I had done it as a younger kid and loved it but got injured and then just seemed to stop going.

    Since I loved the martial arts and knew I needed exercise I FINALLY went to check it out. After the first day I was hooked again. Now if there is a week that Sensei is unable to teach even one day I feel OFF the rest of the week. I have grown to rely on the workouts. Even if I am not feeling well for one reason or another I still feel compelled to go to martial arts class.

    While I am not all that old (37 years old) but I am still no spring chicken. But I find that I feel as though I can not or will not ever go one week without my workouts. I have lost quite a bit of weight doing it (45 pounds) and have grown to need the endorphins that are created during each workout in order to feel energetic and alive each day.

    In fact, I have to practice even on my OFF days in order to feel normal. So I can not understand how anyone that has practiced for any length of time could give up working out HARD on a regular basis. If I don't then my body falls into a rut and I begin to feel sluggish again.

    Even my 60+ year old Kubudo instructor still works out fairly regular and is in GREAT shape and still very fast. So I have a hard time understanding the impulse to stop working out for any length of time or to any extent of intensity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sifuroy View Post
    I have never been overweight however I have had multiple heart surgeries
    10 by passes and 2 kinds of Cancer and about six other surgeries. Have recovered from all of that. A lot of friends and a lot of the hight ranking
    kenpoists are way overweight and seem to be doing fine. Maybe I did something wrong??

    I am Most respectfully,
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    I would love to check out your energies...

    ...your stress level...

    ...and the heart energy connection to the liver point by the pubic bone.

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    Ps. I'm glad you are still here and kicking.

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    >I think obesity is a huge problem in America

    I agree with you and…

    Then the next question to ask yourself is “why is that so true, when it’s NOT true elsewhere?”

    Why do Americans have so much “survival fat” on their bodies?

    Survival fats are the 3rd type of fats, and NOT normally so easily accumulated.

    1. Normal fat for protection of joints and organs.

    2. General body fat.

    3. Survival fat.

    Why does our American Hypothalamus store so much survival fat than in other countries?

    And what can we do about it, besides the “normal” answers of:

    1. Exercise?

    2. Diet?

    ©Dr. John M. La Tourrette

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    Quote Originally Posted by John M. La Tourrette View Post
    >I think obesity is a huge problem in America
    Ummm yea when over 1/2 of the U.S. population is either over weight or obese there is a problem. As you have just stated there are two parts to losing weight, nutrition and exercise. If you do not have one the other will not do anything.
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