Kicking Set 2

[Seabrook]

Who here knows this set? How often you practice the set? What are your thoughts on in with respect to the kicking component required within Kenpo?

[amylong]

I don't care at all for the kicking set that most people do.

All those chicken kicks? That's nuts.

One of the things I do like about the 5.0 is the new kicking set 2 that he made. It's really good for balance and covers a bunch of kicks. Maybe I'll record it and put it up here.

I'd like to see someone do the chicken kick one and look good doing it. Everyone I've see do it looks a little spastic.

--Amy

[kenpochrstn]

Attention Ms.Long,

Regarding Kick Set 2. Put it up, put it up.... Please.

1stJohn1:9

[Seabrook]

I don't care at all for the kicking set that most people do.

All those chicken kicks? That's nuts.


--Amy

Amy,

Why do you think that Ed Parker felt otherwise?

[Southwell]

I love Kicking set 2.

[Shodan]

I've only been introduced to the 5.0 version of Kicking Set 2 so I have nothing to compare it with.

As Amy stated, it is very good for balance, requiring a person to do 7 kicks on one side without letting your foot touch the ground.

That said......I *still* fall into the looking spastic category with this one......

[Blindside]

Amy,

Why do you think that Ed Parker felt otherwise?

Do you really think he created the set? For an art grounded (pun intended) on stability and posture, the need for a bunch of chicken kicks is problematic.

What do you think it truly offers besides maybe some issues with airborne kicks? I notice AK doesn't have a form that covers airborne punches. May we could make another striking set, it could give the wushu guys a run for their money.

Lamont

[parkerkarate]

May we could make another striking set, it could give the wushu guys a run for their money.

Lamont

I was sparring a Wushu guy a little while back for a while. I was always giving him a run for his money. At the same time he was giving it back. Those guys are good.

[Blindside]

I was sparring a Wushu guy a little while back for a while. I was always giving him a run for his money. At the same time he was giving it back. Those guys are good.

Hmm, the one wushu guy I sparred should have stuck to forms. He kept jumping up in the air like something out of anime, major air, but the problem is he didn't jump forward just up. Weird and disconcerting. My instructor fought him first and just kept impaling him with sidekicks. I just played aggressor and he really didn't have a defense.

But he is amazing at forms.

Lamont

[parkerkarate]

Hmm, the one wushu guy I sparred should have stuck to forms. He kept jumping up in the air like something out of anime, major air, but the problem is he didn't jump forward just up. Weird and disconcerting. My instructor fought him first and just kept impaling him with sidekicks. I just played aggressor and he really didn't have a defense.

But he is amazing at forms.

Lamont

LOL. Yea this guy that I had spared was pretty good. I would have him by my side any day. After a while this Tai Chi guy wanted to spar with us. This guy was quick. That was about it. He was acting like Bruce Lee. Didn't really work to his advantage.

But enough about that lets stay on topic. Unless you would like to make a new thread about other styles?

[amylong]

It's entirely possible that Mr. Parker was just trying it out when he created it. According to Mr. Speakman, Mr. Parker was already working on a new kicking set 2. For all we know, it was a rough draft.

Not having been there myself, I don't have any firsthand knowledge.

I don't see any benefit to the multiple chicken kick thing.

How many of us have used rear chicken kicks?

--Amy

[parkerkarate]

How many of us have used rear chicken kicks?

--Amy

Technique wise I can name two. Parting of the Snakes and Snaking Talon.

[Seabrook]

Do you really think he created the set? For an art grounded (pun intended) on stability and posture, the need for a bunch of chicken kicks is problematic.

What do you think it truly offers besides maybe some issues with airborne kicks?

Does it matter if he "created" the set or not? Not to me. He approved of it, that's for sure.

I personally LOVE the set.

Larry Tatum informed me that Kicking Set 2 was designed as a counter to a mass attack using your legs. It contains lots of information concerning timing and the effect it has on your opponents. And while there does seem to be some redundancy, you'll find that it gives more reasons for the Kenpo kicking techniques and covers.

[Seabrook]

It's entirely possible that Mr. Parker was just trying it out when he created it. According to Mr. Speakman, Mr. Parker was already working on a new kicking set 2. For all we know, it was a rough draft.

Not having been there myself, I don't have any firsthand knowledge.

I don't see any benefit to the multiple chicken kick thing.

How many of us have used rear chicken kicks?

--Amy

Larry Tatum informed me that Kicking Set 2 was one of the first sets from the early 1960s that was held back until the early 1980s.

Do you do much two-on-one or three-on-one sparring. Putting your foot down when distance isn't on your side can be detrimental.

In terms of Kenpo, think of Grasping Eagles. If your right hammerfist and left downward claw did not significantly back up the rear attacker (which could very well be the case since you can't see him effectively), dropping your left front kick to the ground after kicking the opponent in front of you could be a BIG NO-NO if he decides to come back in.

[jaybacca72]

jamie i agree with you on working the set for preservation of the art and historical value but really the level it is taught at you allready have techniques with chicken kicks in them no need to look for a specific pattern. but as far as the mass attack aint goona work no way no how i have fought mass attack three on one,four on one outside with motorcycle helmet on and let me say this for real as soon as you kick guy #1 number two and even perhaps three is punching you in the face it,s all about footwork hitting and moving and angling kicking takes way too much time ask any vunak guy or jkd guy that has REALLY worked mass attack fighting not sparring. this not even taking into condsideration that when fighting for real you are usually not on even ground ie your environment gravel grass hill, i trained mass attack in a backyard that is small not much room to move whole different ball of wax brother. and to amy i used to do a good kicking set 2 if you can kick good then the set should look good right.
later
Jason Arnold
CANADA
ps not being negative here just don,t buy the mass attack argument,so i guess we will agree to disagree probably.

[execkenpo]

Jay,

You always were a crazy f**k and I can somehow picture you with a motorcycle helmet on, fighting in a backyard, probably with Pat as one of your attackers...what is he, twice your weight and probably a good two heads taller...while reading I thought you were going to say "wearing a motorcycle helmet in the parking lot of The Beef" haha

Hope you are/will have fun overseas

Mark

[kenpochrstn]

Setting aside the good,bad, or ugly of Kicking St 2 for now. I would like to know who it was that put it together. Was Mr.Kelly involved, or consulted? Maybe one of the Seniors(Le Gldn One,Mr.Trejo,etc.)could throw some more light onto this? Exposing some of the whys, and wherfores of the aformentioned kicking excercise.

1stJohn1:9

[John M. La Tourrette]

I don't care at all for the kicking set that most people do.

All those chicken kicks? That's nuts.

One of the things I do like about the 5.0 is the new kicking set 2 that he made. It's really good for balance and covers a bunch of kicks. Maybe I'll record it and put it up here.

I'd like to see someone do the chicken kick one and look good doing it. Everyone I've see do it looks a little spastic.

--Amy

That would be cool.

I'd love to see it.