Twirling Wing

[Martin Seck]

In the execution of Twirling Wing do you feel your groin is exposed on your turn to your attackers left front kick or knee?

Checking the grabbing hand and moving against his elbow is great but what if his hand slips away from your grab?

Thoughts?

[pete]

there are 3 checks to prevent that left kick.

1, as you mentioned, is the pin and elbow press.
2, is to check his right leg with yours as you step back and turn to disrupt his balance an dnot offer a base to kick from.
3, as your right pin is dissolved and you load it for the elbow strike, it is in perfect position to continue on its path and block a kick or apply the push down from star block against a knee... and you are now in position to graft into reversing circles. Ideal-Evenif-Ideal.

probably a few more, but thats what comes to mind from some stuff i've done... good question, i'd be interested in more ideas!

[JamesB]

In the execution of Twirling Wing do you feel your groin is exposed on your turn to your attackers left front kick or knee?

Checking the grabbing hand and moving against his elbow is great but what if his hand slips away from your grab?

Thoughts?

imho: no, there is no point where my groin is 'exposed' - lol The pin is vital to success of this technique, without it you gotta choose something else to do.

[Seabrook]

The pin is vital to success of this technique, without it you gotta choose something else to do.

I agree with that point and tell my students this also, but interestingly, I am pretty sure that I saw a clip of Ed Parker doing the technique without the pin.

[pete]

imho: no, there is no point where my groin is 'exposed' - lol The pin is vital to success of this technique, without it you gotta choose something else to do.

yeah, maybe one possiblity of something else is the EXTENSION...
why not practice it so it remains within the context of the scenario...

[JamesB]

I agree with that point and tell my students this also, but interestingly, I am pretty sure that I saw a clip of Ed Parker doing the technique without the pin.

possibly he could have been isolating+demonstrating some other principle (footwork maybe?). But I agree it should be possible to manipulate the attacker to some degree even without the pin. Assuming he his gripping hard, the initial pivot of the hips+shoulders would lock up his left wrist and shift his weight over to his right leg.

He'd let go of course, but the initial manipulation should still be there - allowing you to pin his left arm against his body and control his width to some degree - what do you think?

[JamesB]

yeah, maybe one possiblity of something else is the EXTENSION...
why not practice it so it remains within the context of the scenario...

By choosing the TW extension are you advocating moving in towards your attacker and attempting to sweep his leg whilst having no control of his upper body as he counter-grapples you? Doesn't make sense to me, what am I missing?