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    I wanted to talk about Grip of Death.

    Nature of the attack.

    I had always thought that this was for a wrenching side headlock, perhaps someone who is trying to ram your head into a wall or something.

    When I was in Vegas, Clyde said it was something totally different. He said something about a hip throw, but that just didn't sound right.

    Maybe yes, maybe no.

    What is your take on this?

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    Hip throw? That doesn't sound right for the ideal phase. It would make a semi-decent what-if...kind of like a botched throw or something.

    I'd be willing to play with it. The initial torque that the opponent uses to attempt the throw would play very well into borrowed forces. I think that I would alter the execution and target of the first move, though.

    Sounds kinda interesting.

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    Hmm with a hip throw your right arm is hooked behind your opponents left arm as you flip him which would make it very difficult if not impossible to do.
    I can see Grip of Death being done vs possible bulldog attack (where they get you in a headlock and drop to the ground on there butt while still holding you in a headlock)
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    I would not attempt that as a defense against a hip throw. IMHO it would not be very effective because of the body mechanics involved in both the execution of a hip throw and the maneuvers used as a defense against a side head lock.
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    Hmm, I'm pretty sure that any technique can be sufficiently altered to deal with any situation.

    If this is for a botched throw, than your arm would be inside your opponents. Assuming that it is a toss without a sweep, Grip of Death should be useable.

    Take it to the mat and find out for sure.

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    A lot of un-educated people try throwing someone over there hip while they have them on a head lock, it happens because they do not happen to have the training that experienced grappler has.
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    I didn't think that sounded right, but when Clyde grabbed me that way, he would've been able to throw me.

    But then again, I know nothing of grappling.

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    Just prior to him throwing you did you check his right leg with your left leg ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jfarnsworth
    Just prior to him throwing you did you check his right leg with your left leg ?
    As in dropping on his calf? No, I just let him show me whatever point he wanted to show me.

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    it is really feasable to hiptoss someone from this position (person applying the head lock). in wrestling, this is a really good take down from the head lock.. (folk wrestling you need to have an arm in with the head lock, but the toss will work either way..).

    if you drop to a closed kneele stance down on your opponets leg that is colsest to you it cancles his abailty to follow throught with the toss.. this is how i practice it... works for me.. and i could easly through someone from the headlock..
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    Do any of you do the strike (with your right hand) to the nose insert while raising your arms? You can also catch the mastoid in the back with your left- just make a bigger circle while raising your arms. These are just inserts and shouldn't take away from the main strikes to the kidney and groin shots. Just curious......and it might give the attacker something else to think about and keep him/her from trying to throw you if that is the intent.

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    I don't raise my arms. I go from point of origin. But, I see how that could work. I could see a shot to the mastoid with the left and a sort of looping backfist that turns into the palm-heel strike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amylong
    I wanted to talk about Grip of Death.

    Nature of the attack.

    I had always thought that this was for a wrenching side headlock, perhaps someone who is trying to ram your head into a wall or something.

    When I was in Vegas, Clyde said it was something totally different. He said something about a hip throw, but that just didn't sound right.

    Maybe yes, maybe no.

    What is your take on this?

    --Amy
    Your description sounds right on the money to me. That is how I teach it. Perhaps someone will tell Mr. OBriant that "hips throws" (or O Goshi) are not accomplished through a headlock. The idea of a 'hip throw" is to drop your hips below your victims hips. Seizing him in a 'headlock' would preclude this action.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc
    Your description sounds right on the money to me. That is how I teach it. Perhaps someone will tell Mr. OBriant that "hips throws" (or O Goshi) are not accomplished through a headlock. The idea of a 'hip throw" is to drop your hips below your victims hips. Seizing him in a 'headlock' would preclude this action.
    Exactly. The only way to "toss" someone from the position of the attacker in this technique would be to 'muscle' them down by the head!

    Grappling to any extent, including throws, requires you to get up close and personal. You have to use strategic points of your own body as fulcrum points whether for executing a joint lock or a throw. You simply don't have the correct position to execute a hip toss from the position of the applied head lock in this technique because the defenders head is by the attackers flank with their hips off and behind the attacker.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celtic_Crippler
    Exactly. The only way to "toss" someone from the position of the attacker in this technique would be to 'muscle' them down by the head!

    Grappling to any extent, including throws, requires you to get up close and personal. You have to use strategic points of your own body as fulcrum points whether for executing a joint lock or a throw. You simply don't have the correct position to execute a hip toss from the position of the applied head lock in this technique because the defenders head is by the attackers flank with their hips off and behind the attacker.
    Very well stated sir.
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    Actually there is a Judo technique that is done from the headlock called Koshi Guruma. If you let your opponent get his hip inserted before you start to move, he can throw you over the hip or do a sit down without capturing your arm. Like every other grab technique that is in the system , you must move before your opponent actually has control of the situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc
    Your description sounds right on the money to me. That is how I teach it. Perhaps someone will tell Mr. OBriant that "hips throws" (or O Goshi) are not accomplished through a headlock. The idea of a 'hip throw" is to drop your hips below your victims hips. Seizing him in a 'headlock' would preclude this action.
    I think Clyde should pose that question to his pals at Bullshido. They have been hammering him pretty good lately. One would think that with his disposition, he would fit in pretty well over there. I guess not.

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    Grip Of Death

    Actually there is a Judo technique that is done from the headlock called Koshi Guruma. If you let your opponent get his hip inserted before you start to move, he can throw you over the hip or do a sit down without capturing your arm. Like every other grab technique that is in the system , you must move before your opponent actually has control of the situation.
    Would you say that this technique is designed to defend against a hip throw primarily or is it just one of the things it works against?

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    Just one of the things that it would work against. As with all of the
    written grab techniques you must move before the opponent gets control of the situation. Awareness is the key.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MLKKA
    Just one of the things that it would work against. As with all of the
    written grab techniques you must move before the opponent gets control of the situation. Awareness is the key.
    In your universe, what happens if you're not aware and you actually get grabbed? My experience suggests no matter how diligent you may be (aware), you either wack everyone that gets within striking distance of you, or you prepare for when you actually get gabbed because you can't wack everyone that looks like they might grab you.
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