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    Default Grip of Death or The Grasp of Death?

    Here's a question for everyone:

    When would you use Grip of Death vs. Grasp of Death on an opponent? In other words, what is the catalyst that dictates which of the two techniques we would use?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seabrook
    Here's a question for everyone:

    When would you use Grip of Death vs. Grasp of Death on an opponent? In other words, what is the catalyst that dictates which of the two techniques we would use?
    The forward motion of your attacker "the flying headlock" in Grasp of Death. Forcing you to step forward instead of Grip of Death attacking the knee from the side angle.

    Is that what you are asking?
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    Default Re: Grip of Death or The Grasp of Death?

    Good points Martin.

    So do you check the knee with a close kneel stance in both or just in Grip of Death? I have seen people do it both ways, and I know some say a knee buckle is only effectively used in Grip of Death.
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    Default Re: Grip of Death or The Grasp of Death?

    I have seen and been taught to check the knee in both techniques.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seabrook
    Good points Martin.

    So do you check the knee with a close kneel stance in both or just in Grip of Death? I have seen people do it both ways, and I know some say a knee buckle is only effectively used in Grip of Death.
    Yep, with both, its the only way IMO to cancel their zones and I love how Master Tatum does the groin shot in grasp of death!!! Ouch! I learned that with a closed fist but his way seems much more effective.

    First time I showed it that way to my male students they all cringed, LOL.
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    Default Re: Grip of Death or The Grasp of Death?

    I start them out the ame way also.

    How does he do the groin shot?

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    Default Re: Grip of Death or The Grasp of Death?

    In Grasp of Death, I think of that as more of a 'noogie' sort of hold. I step forward with the right foot and drop my left knee on the opponenet's calf, while straightening my body. (I call the first strike 'left-handed bowling')

    In Grip of death, the opponent is trying to ram your head into something, so it's more of a pulling. I check the knee on that one by trapping it between my knees.

    So I would think it would depend on the perceived intention of the attacker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lenatoi
    I start them out the ame way also.

    How does he do the groin shot?
    Upward palm heel from underneath then he grabs it and pulls it downward.

    I saw Rick Jeffcoat take the hit and said OMG I hope he had a cup on!

    I talked to him about it and told him how much I liked the difference.

    He does a spiffy version of Twisted Twig too. I am sure Jamie has seen it, but thats for another thread I guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by amylong
    In Grasp of Death, I think of that as more of a 'noogie' sort of hold. I step forward with the right foot and drop my left knee on the opponenet's calf, while straightening my body. (I call the first strike 'left-handed bowling')
    Amy,

    Don't you feel in grasp that the attack forces you forward and you plant your right as a reaction forcing the close kneel. We also do the rear buckle (I think its required to work correctly).

    Left handed bowling - Ill have to remember that one ... but where does your ... never mind, LOL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by katsudo_karate
    Amy,

    Don't you feel in grasp that the attack forces you forward and you plant your right as a reaction forcing the close kneel. We also do the rear buckle (I think its required to work correctly).

    Left handed bowling - I'll have to remember that one ... but where does your ... never mind, LOL.
    I don't think that the grasp is pulling forward so much as it is pulling down.

    With the rear buckle, do you do it with the knee buckling their knee or pressing on their calf while you straighten your back? I didn't learn it with the straightened back and calf buckle until I came to my current school. I used to just bring my knee to the attacker's knee.

    And that left hand is the ahem, 'follow through'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amylong
    I don't think that the grasp is pulling forward so much as it is pulling down.

    With the rear buckle, do you do it with the knee buckling their knee or pressing on their calf while you straighten your back? I didn't learn it with the straightened back and calf buckle until I came to my current school. I used to just bring my knee to the attacker's knee.

    And that left hand is the ahem, 'follow through'.

    --Amy
    We always trained it like a flying headlock some fratboy may apply on you (no offense to the fratboys).

    After we establish our base with a right close kneel and we drive our knee into the back of their knee for the buckle.

    We used to pinch the femoral nerve on the upper thigh UNTIL I saw Master Tatum do it and the groin shot just felt right
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    Quote Originally Posted by katsudo_karate
    Yep, with both, its the only way IMO to cancel their zones and I love how Master Tatum does the groin shot in grasp of death!!! Ouch! I learned that with a closed fist but his way seems much more effective.

    First time I showed it that way to my male students they all cringed, LOL.
    I like a ridge hand. Is that what Master Tatum uses? If not, what kind of strike does he use?
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    Quote Originally Posted by katsudo_karate
    We always trained it like a flying headlock some fratboy may apply on you (no offense to the fratboys).

    After we establish our base with a right close kneel and we drive our knee into the back of their knee for the buckle.

    We used to pinch the femoral nerve on the upper thigh UNTIL I saw Master Tatum do it and the groin shot just felt right
    I do it as a flying headlock too, but not the kick where you drive their head into the wall, but more like a grab to take their head and do a noogie.

    After you drive your knee into their knee, try dropping it on their calf and straghtening up. That makes it impossible for the attacker to hold on with the headlock.

    I was never keen on the pinching of the femoral nerve. Too easy to miss if they have jeans on or something. I haven't seen what Tatum does with that one, but a chop or a groin squeeze would be useful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Celtic_Crippler
    I like a ridge hand. Is that what Master Tatum uses? If not, what kind of strike does he use?
    When I saw him do it he used an upward palm heel smash then he grabbed and pulled down!!!

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    Default Re: Grip of Death or The Grasp of Death?

    opponent on your left flank's got his right arm around you neck...

    he can move forward and to the left: answer with Grip
    he can move forward and to the right: answer with Grasp

    he can stand still and pull upwards to choke: answer with Grasp.

    i like the 'calf buckle' that amy describes for both techs, really controls the opponent's ankle same way as Escape from the Storm does using the right leg.

    difference is Grip you kneel from the outside of the opponents leg and Grasp you kneel from the inside of his leg.

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    Default Re: Grip of Death or The Grasp of Death?

    Quote Originally Posted by Seabrook
    Here's a question for everyone:

    When would you use Grip of Death vs. Grasp of Death on an opponent? In other words, what is the catalyst that dictates which of the two techniques we would use?
    Just my opinion.....
    Grip of Death = attempted headlock (not yet locked)
    Grasp of Death = headlock has been applied
    What have I learned from this???

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    Quote Originally Posted by pete
    opponent on your left flank's got his right arm around you neck...

    he can move forward and to the left: answer with Grip
    he can move forward and to the right: answer with Grasp

    he can stand still and pull upwards to choke: answer with Grasp.

    i like the 'calf buckle' that amy describes for both techs, really controls the opponent's ankle same way as Escape from the Storm does using the right leg.

    difference is Grip you kneel from the outside of the opponents leg and Grasp you kneel from the inside of his leg.

    pete
    In grasp are you still attacking from behind with the calf buckle then doing the 45 outside angle buckle towards 10 oclock?
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    Default Re: Grip of Death or The Grasp of Death?

    more towards 12:00, stepping around or over opponents right leg to attack his right elbow.

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    Default Re: Grip of Death or The Grasp of Death?

    we do grasp of death whith the closed kneel stance on the back of the calf.. to the attack of a normal head lock..

    grip of death we also do the closed kneel to cancle the hight zone.. i look at this attack as of the attacker is going to do a wrestling hip toss form the head lock.. i feel the only way to stop from being thrown is to drop the knee (closed kneele)on the back side of the opponents knee closes to you

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    Default Re: Grip of Death or The Grasp of Death?

    So what technique does everyone prefer (regardless of the catalyst):

    Grip of Death or Grasp of Death?
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