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    This is a weird move, but kind of fun to do.

    The part that I wanted to talk about is the move just before the end.

    You've kicked their leg, landed in a front twist stance with a right punch to the head and left hand for backup mass.

    I think the technique calls for the right hand to grab the jaw to spin them around. I've never been able to make this work.

    What I've done is to unwind into a right neutral bow and extend my right hand into a straight through punch (sort of towards the jaw) and then use my arm to sort of crane around the opponent's head to spin them into the eye shot. (Left hand checking at their left shoulder.)

    Also, I've never been hit in the kidney that way. For those of you who have, is it likely the oppenent's arm will move out that way so you can conveniently pull it up behind them? And is it that easy to snap someone's arm from that weird angle?

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    I believe after the pull-push then hammerfist to the kidney the rest is bogus. Sorry to say. It's just impractical.

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    After my elbow and middle knuckle I pull them afround by the right arm, checking his height and width. Followed by the vertical punch heal palm sweep smash. Into the left eye poke twisting out into the right eye poke.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jfarnsworth
    I believe after the pull-push then hammerfist to the kidney the rest is bogus. Sorry to say. It's just impractical.
    I completely agree with you. I also think this is one of the techniques "added" to the system after being extracted from long 4. That could account for some of the awkwardness of the "after the hammerfist" part.
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    My belief on this technique (and my opinion only) is that someone decided to put meaning behind the entire end of 4. Finishing after the initial hammerfist then added the close of 4 and gave it some type of meaning. I will go down saying it's bogus.

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    WOW... you guys should really put more energy into finding out what makes the techniques work, instead of trying to figure out how something that doesn't work got into the system.

    there are many opportunities within the techinique if you take the time to work it.

    Amy... think of the availability of the right arm coming from moving the opponents body away from the hanging arm, rather than doing something to make the arm move to you. capice?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pete
    WOW... you guys should really put more energy into finding out what makes the techniques work, instead of trying to figure out how something that doesn't work got into the system.
    It took me the first time I was taught the tech. to realize that after the hammerfist it wasn't really worth my time to practice. Don't get me wrong I do like it up to the hammerfist. It's a nice settling feeling when I got the timing right with the pull - push - hammer. From what I remember I did it like parkerkarate said, grab the right bicep of the arm to take them into the rest. Although I will tell you that I haven't done it in full extension in years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pete
    Amy... think of the availability of the right arm coming from moving the opponents body away from the hanging arm, rather than doing something to make the arm move to you. capice?

    pete
    Uhhh, no. Do you mean the arm dislocation?? Please clarify.

    MLKKA mentioned that usually the hammerfist, if done in a downward fashion, usually drops the person, so the rest wouldn't be necessary, although still works.

    I'm going to play with anchoring the left elbow more to make the grab with the left work, but I've had no luck so far. Sweaty palms -- my hand slips off. If I use the right arm for the choke instead, then they can't go anywhere I don't want them to and they spin really well.

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    amy, this is the question i was working from...
    Quote Originally Posted by amylong
    Also, I've never been hit in the kidney that way. For those of you who have, is it likely the oppenent's arm will move out that way so you can conveniently pull it up behind them?
    basically, i am saying the opponents arm doesn't move out so you can grab it... your kidney strike moves his body forward (or down as you indicate in another post) leaving the arm 'dangling' for a moment.

    Quote Originally Posted by amylong
    And is it that easy to snap someone's arm from that weird angle?
    that next grab can be a great submission hold by tracking down the arm to his hand and twisting as you extend it. its effect on the tendon is like tuning a guitar's A-string to a High-E, then you strum it~

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    Quote Originally Posted by pete
    basically, i am saying the opponents arm doesn't move out so you can grab it... your kidney strike moves his body forward (or down as you indicate in another post) leaving the arm 'dangling' for a moment.

    that next grab can be a great submission hold by tracking down the arm to his hand and twisting as you extend it. its effect on the tendon is like tuning a guitar's A-string to a High-E, then you strum it~

    pete.
    Okay. I get it now. I still think that grabbing the arm like that is a bit awkward.

    When you say extend it, as far as the arm, are you meaning lifting it up or up and back?

    Thanks Pete.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amylong
    When you say extend it, as far as the arm, are you meaning lifting it up or up and back?
    you'd be lifting up... but the key is first you have to set the angle by twisting the hand... you want to grasp the back of his hand with your fingers over his pinky finger side, then pull that as you lift up keeping a slight bend in his elbow joint... this will control through the shoulder and into the spine.

    yeah,,, this is only good if you can grab the arm. if not, dont worry, look at your position: you are facing his back! million things you can do from there anyway!

    pete

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