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    Greetings,
    I am new to this site as far as posting. In all my research in restarting my path in the art I find it unfortunate that the Kenpo world is so fractured, mainly referencing the Parker Kenpo family. In further study the difference between Mr. Parker’s movement and execution of a technique is much different then “most”. So here is my “what if” question.

    What if:
    If someone was able to show the Kenpo world how Mr.Parker achieve the power and speed would you support them revealing it or would it be better for them to keep it to themselves?

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    Greetings,
    I am new to this site as far as posting. In all my research in restarting my path in the art I find it unfortunate that the Kenpo world is so fractured, mainly referencing the Parker Kenpo family. In further study the difference between Mr. Parker’s movement and execution of a technique is much different then “most”. So here is my “what if” question.

    What if:
    If someone was able to show the Kenpo world how Mr. Parker achieve the power and speed would you support them revealing it or would it be better for them to keep it to themselves?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kenpostudent4life View Post
    Greetings,
    I am new to this site as far as posting. In all my research in restarting my path in the art I find it unfortunate that the Kenpo world is so fractured, mainly referencing the Parker Kenpo family. In further study the difference between Mr. Parker’s movement and execution of a technique is much different then “most”. So here is my “what if” question.

    What if:
    If someone was able to show the Kenpo world how Mr.Parker achieve the power and speed would you support them revealing it or would it be better for them to keep it to themselves?
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    I've got a question for you. ..why did you post the same question five times.???
    Tradition is not about the preservation of the ashes, but about keeping the flame alive

    Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear to be bright until you hear them speak

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    Quote Originally Posted by KirkS View Post
    I've got a question for you. ..why did you post the same question five times.???

    It was posted in different forums..

    as to the question posed.. as is with most things that would depend on your intention. What is most important to you? Developing a functioning system? Proving others wrong? Being known? Educating and enlightening others?

    Problem with asking these questions is that few people would be willing to answer them honestly even to themselves. By posing the question in the first place begs the question of Have you done what you suggest and thus should you share it with the world?

    I would say, post it, show what you have to offer, but understand that in doing so you have just opened yourself to critique and equal ridicule. Even if it is a successful system there will be those who mock it. Are you ready for that? Others of us may pick it apart and attempt to validate your interpretation. Are you ready to defend your ideals objectively?

    answer those... and then take the next step.

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    Don't know why you posted this is several fora ....

    But, I know exactly how Mr. Parker achieved the power and speed.
    Body Mechanics and Application of the rules and principles of motion.

    It's not difficult. Despite the fact that so few seem to be able to apply correct Body Mechanics and obey the rules and princples of motion.

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    Threads merged.
    Be careful what you say, some may take it the wrong way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by michaeledward View Post
    Don't know why you posted this is several fora ....

    But, I know exactly how Mr. Parker achieved the power and speed.
    Body Mechanics and Application of the rules and principles of motion.

    It's not difficult. Despite the fact that so few seem to be able to apply correct Body Mechanics and obey the rules and princples of motion.
    Nothing against Mike, here, but this is why you keep your mouth shut. Even if Mr. Parker did show you something everyone else missed, they wouldn't believe you.
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    I think the world would receive it from someone who could execute Kenpo with Mr. Parker's power and speed.
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    It is my first time on this site and I have never posted on any forum before....so for lack of a better answer I was not sure how all this works

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    Thank you all for your input, I hope to continue the conversation....I did not intend to offend anyone, just making an observation because the man (Mr. Parker) to this day has few equals. I have been fortunate to speak with and meet some seniors that actual worked with him for extended periods of time. In one of these conversations with a senior who I had actual first met in the 80's confirmed some of my observations as well as other seniors to whom I have developed a great respect for.

    If a list where to be developed, who would be nominated to be on the list of those who are at the skill level of Mr Parker?

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    Thank you for your input, my intent is not to offend at all

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    Good response and counter questions....my own intention is just to improve in Kenpo and have a better understanding of the Mr Parker's art. If I can help along the way I will most defiantly do so. The intent of the question was only to start the conversation if there was that red pill out there that someone could offer would the Kenpo world in general be open to it.

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    Mr. Parker was certainly one of a kind. Not many people could start a system and have it endure for decades after their death.

    What I would like more than someone with the skill level of Mr. Parker would be someone with the teaching ability of Mr. Parker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kenpostudent4life View Post
    Good response and counter questions....my own intention is just to improve in Kenpo and have a better understanding of the Mr Parker's art. If I can help along the way I will most defiantly do so. The intent of the question was only to start the conversation if there was that red pill out there that someone could offer would the Kenpo world in general be open to it.

    So that leads to the next question of intention.. I suppose this is a question for everyone.

    Do you train so that you can be just like Mr. Parker was?

    Personally I do not. Don't get me wrong, I have a great deal of respect for who he was and what he accomplished. However, I train in different ways, with different influences to improve myself but not to emulate.

    Because of the individualistic nature of the art... and people for that matter. I do not think it possible or even wise to attempt to make comparisons between past present or future masters of the arts. I would suggest to simply appreciate them for who they are as we have them and move on.

    It is folly to spend ones life attempting to find the perfect cherry blossom when they are, in their own way, all perfect.

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    I don't believe I train as Mr Parker did, but only try to understand the expression of the man in his art.

    The individualistic nature of the art is true but it is based on principles (at least that is my understanding)...the fact that one is 5'4" verse the a 6'2" changes the need of the principles. Example the larger stronger person can "muscle" a technique negating the need for proper alignment, this course of action is not available to the smaller weaker individual.

    The perfect cherry blossom can only be witnessed by the eyes willing to see ( I truly appreciate your point though).

    I agree with your point and everyone is perfect in there own way from the perfect A hole to the perfect gentlemen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kenpostudent4life View Post
    I don't believe I train as Mr Parker did, but only try to understand the expression of the man in his art.

    The individualistic nature of the art is true but it is based on principles (at least that is my understanding)...the fact that one is 5'4" verse the a 6'2" changes the need of the principles. Example the larger stronger person can "muscle" a technique negating the need for proper alignment, this course of action is not available to the smaller weaker individual.

    The perfect cherry blossom can only be witnessed by the eyes willing to see ( I truly appreciate your point though).

    I agree with your point and everyone is perfect in there own way from the perfect A hole to the perfect gentlemen.

    As a larger individual I know I can power through most people without technique.. but I choose to be absurdly aware of myself so that I do not. It is true that a smaller less strong (I don't like the term weaker as it has connotations) individual may not be able to power through as I can but they do have often a lower center of gravity, sharper elbows, and generally greater speed as they have less mass to move. So... six of one, half dozen of the other for advantage and disadvantage.

    Case in point, I used to roll with this rat baste... errrr.... smaller younger gentleman.. who could tap me out regularly because he had greater flexibility, sharp pointy parts, and yes, he was more skilled than I was on the ground. He would wait for me to exhaust myself.. jerk....

    As for principles.. I'm on the fence there.. and several of us on this board go back and forth about things like this... heel must be down for a bracing angle, throw out the bracing angle in lew of a modified bow, crossing your own center when in a reverse bow, PAM/BAM vs simply sinking into the stance, etc etc...

    I still think that 80% of the disagreement is due to different terminology... pure issue of syntax. but for that 20%.. anyone who does not agree with me is simply wrong...

    I jest of course... beyond that actually I would break that down into a further 15% of foundation is simply different in application, not better or worse.. but just different. The final 5% I would say is the principle that is so basic that noone even bothers to dispute it.

    Why then are there systems that suck?.... because there are people who suck... suck at learning... suck at teaching... suck at introspection... or are simply terrible people who don't care as long as what they lie about makes them money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrBunny View Post
    Do you train so that you can be just like Mr. Parker was?


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    Of course not. I have heard that he was a large man and pretty athletic. I am a small woman, not a particularly gifted athlete. My kenpo will not be exactly like his kenpo. All I can do is try to learn the rules and principles of motion and apply them to my own training and abilities.

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