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    This technique works well for a common grappling technique, particularly getting caught in a Guillitine choke standing up. What is a dangerous about a technique like Locking Horns is that the attacker will arch his back for the choke, so you have to react quickly and make sure that tuck your chin. I find that the arch and pull up helps set up the groin and knee strike.

    Does everyone else teach the technique for an attacker that is pulling up on the guillitine choke? How does everyone experiment with this technique? I often see it taught for a static choke, but I think that makes it much easier for the attacker to avoid you first move of the technique.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Seabrook
    This technique works well for a common grappling technique, particularly getting caught in a Guillitine choke standing up. What is a dangerous about a technique like Locking Horns is that the attacker will arch his back for the choke, so you have to react quickly and make sure that tuck your chin. I find that the arch and pull up helps set up the groin and knee strike.

    Does everyone else teach the technique for an attacker that is pulling up on the guillitine choke? How does everyone experiment with this technique? I often see it taught for a static choke, but I think that makes it much easier for the attacker to avoid you first move of the technique.


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    I believe he means; just standing there with a front choke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seabrook
    Does everyone else teach the technique for an attacker that is pulling up on the guillitine choke?
    My friend that teaches JJ showed me a defense against the actual choke while being lifted in the air. I did not believe that it would actually work until I grabbed him in a front choke, arched my back and he was in the air (for as long as I could hold him off of the ground). This gave me a new perspective on both points of view of this technique.

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    I think it is a good point to introduce entrys, double legs, single legs, shooting, thats how you end up in a gullitine most of the time from my experience. One of the great things about American Kenpo techs is the fact that much can be gathered from just the "how does one get here" and the attackers POV. Adds more dimension to the tech and system that way Good subject!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jfarnsworth
    I believe he means; just standing there with a front choke.
    Correct, that is what I meant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hunter
    I think it is a good point to introduce entrys, double legs, single legs, shooting, thats how you end up in a gullitine most of the time from my experience. One of the great things about American Kenpo techs is the fact that much can be gathered from just the "how does one get here" and the attackers POV. Adds more dimension to the tech and system that way Good subject!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seabrook
    Correct, that is what I meant.
    Than thats how I learned it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seabrook
    What is a dangerous about a technique like Locking Horns is that the attacker will arch his back for the choke, so you have to react quickly and make sure that tuck your chin. I find that the arch and pull up helps set up the groin and knee strike.

    Does everyone else teach the technique for an attacker that is pulling up on the guillitine choke? How does everyone experiment with this technique? I often see it taught for a static choke, but I think that makes it much easier for the attacker to avoid you first move of the technique.


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    We start it off as a static choke, and progress to more realism as the student becomes more comfortable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jfarnsworth
    My friend that teaches JJ showed me a defense against the actual choke while being lifted in the air. I did not believe that it would actually work until I grabbed him in a front choke, arched my back and he was in the air (for as long as I could hold him off of the ground). This gave me a new perspective on both points of view of this technique.
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    That would look like it.

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    Jeff Speakman schools have revamped this tech to address the "trained cage fighter" approach. It is pretty complex. I am in the process of learning it and therefore cannot adequately explain it. You could contact Dan Pribble at the Lake Arrowhead school in California.

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    I was taught, and also teach the technique as a defense against a front standing guiliotine choke.

    As with any lock or hold, I think it is of utmost importance to stress that one should react as an opponent is attempting to execute the maneuver, not after they have it locked in. It is imperative that as soon as it becomes apparent that your opponent is going for this choke that the student react immediately by first executing the ridgehand strike to the groin. (Their chin should all ready be tucked-more on that later).

    As Hunter points out, the most common way to put yourself in a position to be choked in this manner is by attempting a shoot. So, don't attempt a shoot. Why do you want to go to the ground with your opponent anyway? Unless you're competing in a grappling-oriented tournament of some sort your concern should be with staying off of your back.

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    I would practice it with every choke that is possible in that position.

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    What I like about this technique is that it puts you in a position where you must really improvise your initial technique and fast before the choke really sets in. The ridgehand is nice but I also like this technique with a kindof looping backfist to the attackers right knee and then pop up for the elbow. Just something different.
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    Yeah, I could definately see a center knuckle to the inside of the knee (you know, that sensitive, fleshy area towards the top) being quite effective at encouraging them to let go of you.
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    Hi Peeps,

    COrrect me if I'm wrong but I only skimmed through the posts here. I see everyone is talking about a choke but that no one has actually defined at what a choke is. There is mention of tucking the chin in which is fine if you were being strangled. But in my understanding a choke is to cut off the blood supply to the brain hence chin tucking would be ineffective.

    As regards the JJ way of resisting the choke I'm sorry but I am a little skeptical as from the pic I saw this was not a choke but a neck lift.

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    It's a guiliotine choke.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celtic_Crippler
    It's a guiliotine choke.
    And that means it's not to cut off the blood supply to the brain so is it a choke or a strangle

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