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    Default a couple of gun-disarm clips

    These are a couple of the gun-disarm techniques I teach in my "street" self-defense class. The specific strikes used are really not important, just pick the most logical strikes based on your respective positions, targets available, etc.

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    attacker at 12:00, gun pointed at face
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    attacker at 12:00, gun pointed at chest/midsection
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    Default Re: a couple of gun-disarm clips

    Nice clips, thanks for posting them.
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    Default Re: a couple of gun-disarm clips

    Thanks for sharing. We we working these the other night and I see a few variations that we didn't try.
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    I like it. Thanks for posting.
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    Default Re: a couple of gun-disarm clips

    thanks for the replies...

    Does anybody else work disarm techniqes other than the kenpo ones?
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    Default Re: a couple of gun-disarm clips

    Nice clips, thanks for posting. I work them with some people outside of class. I've been lucky enough to learn some different ones from a former batallion Army Ranger, Air Force Commando as well as a close friend who grew up in Isreal and was in the Isreali army. All different techniques but same purpose. I should try to get some clips of them.
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    Cool. Do you ever work gun disarms with the attacker holding the weapon "Gangsta'" style?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celtic_Crippler View Post
    Cool. Do you ever work gun disarms with the attacker holding the weapon "Gangsta'" style?
    Yeah. that is my favorite. Talk about the most sure way to not hit a target or have someone take it from you...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celtic_Crippler View Post
    Cool. Do you ever work gun disarms with the attacker holding the weapon "Gangsta'" style?
    Yeah, when we actually have a class dedicated to gun disarms, we'll hold them every-which-way we can think of (high,low, "gangsta," 12, 3, 6, 9, etc.). We also work them with the attacker grabbing you with his off-hand while pointing the gun at you. When I shot these it was in response to a thread on another forum where some people were saying that gun-disarms were not going to work because they're too complicated and that the BG is going to shoot as soon as you move. I left these simple just to show the speed and simplicity of the technique.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ronin6 View Post
    Yeah. that is my favorite. Talk about the most sure way to not hit a target or have someone take it from you...
    actually i thought the "gangsta" holding was more of a distance thing with multiple targets.. using the recoil to move to the next one or something.. ppl like to look badass upclose tho..

    altho i agree with you on the disarming point... his hand and arm are already half way rotated for you.. twisting outward away from his body hight give him some momentum to hook you.. but inward.. heh he he

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    I've thought of doing a clinic on gun disarms with a paint ball gun. That way you know whether or not you'd get hit and it would also address "Where" the bullet goes. For instance, you're o.k. but does your buddy/wife/kid get hit!?!? Anybody else thought of that or done that in practice?
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    Quote Originally Posted by madeku View Post
    actually i thought the "gangsta" holding was more of a distance thing with multiple targets.. using the recoil to move to the next one or something.. ppl like to look badass upclose tho..
    you're joking right? They only do this because they think it looks "tough." If it was a viable technique, the professionals (LEO's, Military, etc.) would be using it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kenpotex View Post
    you're joking right? They only do this because they think it looks "tough." If it was a viable technique, the professionals (LEO's, Military, etc.) would be using it.
    i dont know guns, or the people/groups that use them. heh thats the only possible benefit i could see. anybody holding a gun on an unarmed person doesn't look tough.. they look scared. lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by madeku View Post
    actually i thought the "gangsta" holding was more of a distance thing with multiple targets.. using the recoil to move to the next one or something.. ppl like to look badass upclose tho..

    altho i agree with you on the disarming point... his hand and arm are already half way rotated for you.. twisting outward away from his body hight give him some momentum to hook you.. but inward.. heh he he
    If you were combat shooting around objects it's ok. OK with two hands. The gangsta waving of the weapon with one hand is in no way the model pistol grip.
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    Default Re: a couple of gun-disarm clips

    Great clips. I would add that you should always act really scared when about to disarm a gun or knife. I would probably pretend to start crying and begging for my life and then explode into the technique. Don't act tough or seem you know what you are doing, or you may get him to start paying more attention to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Celtic_Crippler View Post
    I've thought of doing a clinic on gun disarms with a paint ball gun. That way you know whether or not you'd get hit and it would also address "Where" the bullet goes. For instance, you're o.k. but does your buddy/wife/kid get hit!?!? Anybody else thought of that or done that in practice?
    Try airsoft, they are better replicas of actual guns than the typical paintball gun. They can be very inexpensive and you can get paint ball pellets for them.
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    We have Professor Wedlake coming in to Connecticut this weekend to teach a seminar on the "Rod" techniques. Looking forward to it.

    I like teaching the students to get to the "dead side" (outside) of the gun and work the counter from there.
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    Default Re: a couple of gun-disarm clips

    When coming in from the dead side I have always thought it a good idea to check the elbow to prevent target re-aquisition and then slide up the forearm for the disarm. Cheapie air soft is the way to go because you can dremel the trigger gard off so no one gets broken fingers during aggressive stripping.
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    In the high-frontal clip, have you tried striking (right ridge hand) to the inside of the wrist and controlling/ stripping with the left hand? You might see a greater ability to disarm under active resistance

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    Quote Originally Posted by madeku View Post
    i dont know guns, or the people/groups that use them. heh thats the only possible benefit i could see. anybody holding a gun on an unarmed person doesn't look tough.. they look scared. lol
    What's the point of this statement? If it's a joke, don't quit your day job. If you're serious, perhaps you need to start taking reality-based training more seriously and actually spend some time researching crime.

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