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    Are tournaments useful, fun or just a waste of time. Please vote and quantify your answer with a post.
    Last edited by Rob Broad; 12-30-2005 at 05:15 PM.
    Quality outweighs quantity every time.

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    Any activity that increases your knowledge or aids in the learning process is, in my opinion, worth while.

    Sport Karate is not that beneficial to self defense in and of itself. But even SGM Parker wrote of the benefits of sparring.

    It's just another aspect of the learning process. There is no substitute for actual combat so we use different tools to prepare for it. We use forms, techniques, drills, and even sparring. They each have their strengths in preparing us to deal with an attacker.

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    I personally love competing, it takes me out of my comfort zone and its a challenge and a lesson win or lose. I must admit I don't like point sparring but not many tournaments have continous, least not around here.

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    I believe tournaments do have a place and can contribute to a person's training. They push you into a whole new area of focus. The additional training can improve your focus and concentration. It is also a great way to rid people of performance anxiety.
    Quality outweighs quantity every time.

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    Rob, do attend many tournaments per year ?

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    Last year was my first time competing in 7 years. I competed at the Turtle Island tournament, and at The Nickel Belt Championships in Sudbury. Took trophies home at both events. When I was younger I always competed in every tournament I could get to. Later I took students to one or select tournaments a year where I knew they would be treated fairly. Even when I had no students that wanted to compete I would go to tournaments and offer my services as a referee.
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    I plan on competing as much as I can this coming year, hoping to enter a couple state side as well. Yes in Sarnia is where I met you in Feb.

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    In my experience, those students who compete are generally better than those that do not.

    For those who like competition, it drives them to excel, and this results in general improvement of the overall skill level. I don't know if it is simply from more aggresive personalities, but I definately see a correlation.

    Forms:
    Forms are about basics, if seriously practice even a single form for competiton, all of your forms will improve.

    Sparring:
    Point sparring is all about reading your opponent at range and being able to strike non-telegraphically. Both are nice skills to develop.

    Continuous is about staying in the fight, combinations, and aerobic conditioning.

    Self-Defense:
    Honestly I don't see much value in this division since is mostly choreography, but it is always fun to "WOW" a crowd and showcase self defense moves.

    You can certainly take either to an extreme, bad habits from point sparring are also possible (tippy-tap hitting, etc) but overall I think people get good value out of it.

    The other lessons that can be imparted from a well run competition (sportsmanship, behavior, etc) are equally valuable, especially for younger students.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blindside
    In my experience, those students who compete are generally better than those that do not.

    For those who like competition, it drives them to excel, and this results in general improvement of the overall skill level. I don't know if it is simply from more aggresive personalities, but I definately see a correlation.

    Forms:
    Forms are about basics, if seriously practice even a single form for competiton, all of your forms will improve.

    Sparring:
    Point sparring is all about reading your opponent at range and being able to strike non-telegraphically. Both are nice skills to develop.

    Continuous is about staying in the fight, combinations, and aerobic conditioning.

    Self-Defense:
    Honestly I don't see much value in this division since is mostly choreography, but it is always fun to "WOW" a crowd and showcase self defense moves.

    You can certainly take either to an extreme, bad habits from point sparring are also possible (tippy-tap hitting, etc) but overall I think people get good value out of it.

    The other lessons that can be imparted from a well run competition (sportsmanship, behavior, etc) are equally valuable, especially for younger students.

    Lamont
    Great points.

    I am hoping to host a small tournament up here this year in June. It should be an interesting time, regardless of the turn out.
    Quality outweighs quantity every time.

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    We host the Western Wyoming Championships every year (I think this years is the 26th annual). It is growing to be a fairly decent sized tournament, and this year we are one of the 10 tournaments that act as a qualifier for the TigerClaw Elite Championship. Hopefully we draw in some competitors from outside the WY,UT,CO, MT areas to compete.

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    I am surprised that everyone so far has been in agreement on this one.
    Quality outweighs quantity every time.

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    How many of our memebrs activeley compete?
    Quality outweighs quantity every time.

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    I haven't competed in many, many moons. =) But, due to student interest, I am about to jump back into it.....I think.
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    I wouldn't say the have no value. I havn't competed in well over 10 years; but, they were not very well run then. Judges admitting they scored differently based on dojo. People down ranking to get a trophy. If you need one that bad just go buy one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Broad
    How many of our memebrs activeley compete?
    I guess I can say that I'm a regular competitor. Our school hosts an annual tournament and we are part of a local circuit. I participate in our home tournament (of course) and a couple of the other tournaments on the circuit that I know the promoters and want to support. I probably compete 3/4 times per year.

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    Does anyone have any info on the South East (GA, AL, FL, SC, etc) circuit? Is there one?

    Thanks! =)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Broad
    Are tournaments useful, fun or just a waste of time. Please vote and quantify your answer with a post.
    I think they can be good, but they really don't have anything here anymore. One would have to travel at least 3 hrs to get to one. In a city of this (275,000) all they offer is some MMA, and WTF events.

    I can only assume, it's too much work, and no one likes to work for free. Been there, done that.
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    I think Tournaments are worthwhile. Some students work extra hard in order to compete. Also if they have competed in tournaments with their Kata and fighting it becomes much easier at test time to show what you know. Tournaments are not for everone though. A lot of students have a hard time learning enough to get by in class. Also Tournaments also lets you see how your style does against other styles. Also you make a lot of new friends. Can't have too many friends.

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    You CAN definitely learn from tournaments.
    You can learn to be a better tournament competitor, and that's it.
    That's as far as it goes.

    It's fun and I met GREAT friends
    but that's it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brother John View Post
    You CAN definitely learn from tournaments.
    You can learn to be a better tournament competitor, and that's it.
    That's as far as it goes.

    It's fun and I met GREAT friends
    but that's it.

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    I am with John on this one. You can learn how to get better at tournies, he just said it more elequently then I could
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