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    The wing chun guy surprised me!
    What do you guys think??

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    Default Re: Wing Chun vs pro Muay thai fighter, is the WC guy good???

    Was the wing chun guy really doing much "wing chun"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by J-squared View Post
    Was the wing chun guy really doing much "wing chun"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by J-squared View Post
    Was the wing chun guy really doing much "wing chun"?
    Sure. Why not?
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    Quote Originally Posted by flying crane View Post
    Sure. Why not?
    Everybody wing chun tonight?
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    Default Re: Wing Chun vs pro Muay thai fighter, is the WC guy good???

    Quote Originally Posted by flying crane View Post
    Sure. Why not?
    Because 90% of it looked like the same kickboxing/muay thai you see in any competition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by J-squared View Post
    Because 90% of it looked like the same kickboxing/muay thai you see in any competition.
    It doesn’t matter what it looks like. The biggest thing that differentiates one system from another is the training methodology. When used in a real fight or a competition, it can look like anything. It does not need to look like the training methodology.

    If his training is in Wing Chun, then he is using his Wing Chun, regardless of what it looks like.
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    Default Re: Wing Chun vs pro Muay thai fighter, is the WC guy good???

    No, the WC cat is not good. I also didn't see much of any WC, modified or not. He principally used sub-par boxing technique and strategy, blended with some poorly trained or understood grappling.

    When I was still in high school, there was a running rivalry between WC and MTKB that went on along the West Coast (maybe other places, but these were the only ones I saw). Smokers were held in warehouses, parks, boxing gyms, etc., in a challenge-match context. Dudes who had been bad-mouthing each other for years would get their stables together and duke it out in "exhibition" matches, no gloves. Saw them in Los Angeles, San Francisco, and Seattle. The outcomes were almost always the same: Lacking much ring-toughness or experience, the Wing Chun dudes would go down. Most commonly from Thai kicks to the outsides of the thighs, or cut kicks to the insides of the thighs.

    But at least they would be throwing chain punches, low line kicks (that often missed completely or got jammed by shin-checks). You could tell by watching who the WC dude was and who the MTKB dude was, even when they just wore sweats. Because they moved in characteristic ways, reflective of their respective fields of study.

    I went to these with my WC teacher and sparring partner -- the dude had the face, hair and glasses of John Lennon, but the physical frame of Franco Colombo. He would throw hundreds of backnuckles and chain punches a day while holding heavy dumbbells in his hands. Sort of became a one-trick pony after a year of doing it. Would either throw a lightning-fast backfist that'd crack whatever it hit, then if that didn't drop the other guy (which it usually did), he would blitz after them with a chain punch (he called it "bicycle punch" because it looked like pedaling a handbike). And he delivered these form the standard WC stance, shuffle-stepping after folks as he went.

    The MTKB cat in the above video is wearing the garb, so he's easy to spot. The WC dude is still tryna live off of Bruce Lee's rep by dressing in black sweats and a sash, a la old movies by the only WC practitioner who ever broke local.

    All to say, I don't think the guy looks like he's doing WC, because he has been training other stuff for this fight... and it shows.
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    Default Re: Wing Chun vs pro Muay thai fighter, is the WC guy good???

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Dave in da house View Post
    No, the WC cat is not good. I also didn't see much of any WC, modified or not. He principally used sub-par boxing technique and strategy, blended with some poorly trained or understood grappling.

    When I was still in high school, there was a running rivalry between WC and MTKB that went on along the West Coast (maybe other places, but these were the only ones I saw). Smokers were held in warehouses, parks, boxing gyms, etc., in a challenge-match context. Dudes who had been bad-mouthing each other for years would get their stables together and duke it out in "exhibition" matches, no gloves. Saw them in Los Angeles, San Francisco, and Seattle. The outcomes were almost always the same: Lacking much ring-toughness or experience, the Wing Chun dudes would go down. Most commonly from Thai kicks to the outsides of the thighs, or cut kicks to the insides of the thighs.

    But at least they would be throwing chain punches, low line kicks (that often missed completely or got jammed by shin-checks). You could tell by watching who the WC dude was and who the MTKB dude was, even when they just wore sweats. Because they moved in characteristic ways, reflective of their respective fields of study.

    I went to these with my WC teacher and sparring partner -- the dude had the face, hair and glasses of John Lennon, but the physical frame of Franco Colombo. He would throw hundreds of backnuckles and chain punches a day while holding heavy dumbbells in his hands. Sort of became a one-trick pony after a year of doing it. Would either throw a lightning-fast backfist that'd crack whatever it hit, then if that didn't drop the other guy (which it usually did), he would blitz after them with a chain punch (he called it "bicycle punch" because it looked like pedaling a handbike). And he delivered these form the standard WC stance, shuffle-stepping after folks as he went.

    The MTKB cat in the above video is wearing the garb, so he's easy to spot. The WC dude is still tryna live off of Bruce Lee's rep by dressing in black sweats and a sash, a la old movies by the only WC practitioner who ever broke local.

    All to say, I don't think the guy looks like he's doing WC, because he has been training other stuff for this fight... and it shows.
    Well, I don’t know if this guy has been training other stuff. I didn’t watch the video carefully, I actually just skimmed it. So if they discussed his training background, I wouldn’t know. If he claims that he trained other things, then yes, that influences. If he claims he is pure wing Chun, and I don’t have strong evidence to the contrary, then I accept he is wing Chun.

    wing Chun can look like chain punches and backfists and taun sau and wu sau and the Wing Chun stance. Yes, certainly. It can be applied in that manner.

    it does not need to. It can be expressed in any manner that the individual finds works. And that may visually differ from others, but if the principles are still intact, and it comes from his study and practice of wing Chun, then it is Wing Chun. Even if it does not look like it to an observer.

    in the same way that a Kenpo guy does not need to execute five swords or any other prescribed self defense technique in a fight or a competition. That does not mean he isn’t using Kenpo.

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