Mr. Richard Planas seminar in Mentor Ohio March 27-29 2009

[KenpoCoach]

The spring Ohio Tour of Mr. Richard Planas will take place March 27-29 2009. The location will be at Mr. Joe Doyle's American Kenpo Karate Academy; 7272 Jackson Street Mentor, Ohio 44060. The Cost is $120.00 for roughly 4.5 hours of on the mat instruction.

Mr. Doyle can be reached for registration at 440-255-6697.

Space is limited.

Alternatively you can contact Mr. Doyle via email at: Admin@akakenpo.com or go to his website: http://www.akakenpo.com for additional information.

The class starts at 10 am and runs until noon where we break for lunch (feel free to bag a lunch, Mr. Doyle will provide free bottled water). We then return to the mat around 1 and continue until Mr. Planas wishes to stop. Usually around 4:30. Sometimes, some of the attendees go out for dinner with Mr. Planas afterward. Mr. Doyle usually places a sign-up sheet out for those who wish to attend the dinner.

This is a regularly scheduled training event for professional American Kenpo school owners and/or Instructors which is presented 4 times a year by Mr. Planas at Mr. Doyle's location.

Remember; if you attend you will have a properly trained Kenpoist to train with. Something that can not be said of every training seminar available to you. If you do not want to hook up with a stranger then please feel free to bring your training partner or members of your school to the event. Most attendees are of the higher ranks although many lower rank students are both on the floor and are welcome to attend as well.

This is the Master, this is the place and this is the time where people who wish to become Master Kenpoist in their own right are being trained to do so. There is enough time and willingness on the part of Grand Master Planas to answer your questions and to help train you in the way you need to be trained. There simply is no higher ranking Kenpoist then Mr. Richard Planas to learn correct Parker Kenpo from.

All respectable Kenpoist simply must attend these seminars. These Ohio Instructor College seminars presented by Grand Master Planas are premier training opportunities. It does not matter what affiliations you may be associated with, at this College we are all just Kenpo brothers and sisters learning how to be at our best.

Below is a copy of the email Mr. Doyle sent out to his regular readership:

Dear Fellow Kenpoists,

This College is for anyone wanting to align themselves within the Parker/Planas lineage and to be educated in American Karate as it was once taught by Mr. Parker. Mr. Planas teaches the techniques and forms with sound explanations, history, and relationships of all the material. You will not only train your body but you will also educate your mind so you understand what you are doing.

Anything short of this type of American Kenpo training is just speculation of how things should be done.

Respectfully,

Mr. Doyle

Grand Master Planas wants you to come to this event. Professor Joe Doyle (6th) wants you to come to this event. And of course, I want you to come to all of these events because it is simply the right thing to do. Please plan to come and if you can not attend, please let your students and friends know about what is available to them and encourage them to attend.

Thank you.

Sincerely,

KenpoCoach

[Rob Broad]

KenpoCoach

I respect Richard Planas to the utmost degree, but you need to really tone down the rhetorec. Mr. Doyles email was enough to get the message accross, the added pressure/hype can actually hurt these events. You may want to get mr. Doyle to approve all messages for events from now on.

[Dr. Dave in da house]

It is possible to tell a woman that her current outfit is attractive, without telling her that everything else she wears looks like crap. A skill in communication you might wish to explore and develop.

That, or I'm thinking you just like provoking responses out of people with ridiculous behavior.

[Carol]

He may repeating what is said at the school, to a degree.

There are schools out there that teach serious Kenpo from the source, with equally serious rhetoric. The sales pitch is built directly in to the content delivery.

Doesn't detract from the quality of the Kenpo taught. And...of all the things that can come between a student and good training, rhetoric can certainly be overcome.

But, it can get draining...for some people, more than others.

[kenpochrstn]

RE: RHETORIC BEING FROM THE SCHOOL TO THE STUDENT

I highly doubt that Mr.Doyle is hyping his student up at the studio, and then he in turn does so here.

Unless he(Mr.Doyle)has changed dramatically this is not the case. I became acquainted(sp?)with Mr.Joe Doyle back in approximately 86, and although on occasion we have not seen eye to eye. He has never played the role of the "loud mouth" in any respect. I think maybe kenpocoach is just a bit over zealous. Anyway I just wanted to throw a little word in for Mr.Doyle.

PEACE
1stJohn1:9

[Kenpodoc]

Joe Doyle is a good man and in my experience understated. Larry's enthusiasm is good but I think his hyperbole on this site is doing Joe a disservice. Mr. Planas' seminars are always great and his seminars in Mentor have been uniformly superb. Anyone who can attend should.

Jeff

[Dr. Dave in da house]

Joe Doyle is a good man and in my experience understated. Larry's enthusiasm is good but I think his hyperbole on this site is doing Joe a disservice. Mr. Planas' seminars are always great and his seminars in Mentor have been uniformly superb. Anyone who can attend should.

Jeff

I have heard nothing but good things about Mr. Doyle, and am pleased his camps are going well. I hope KenpoCoach's paintings don't prevent him from contributing all he can to kenpo.

[Purekenpo]

Judging from someone who has been to Mr. D's to train it is a good time and good fellowship with other like - minded Kenpoist. Please don't misread K/coaches enthusiasm, he just wants everyone to get together with EPAK. My blog talks about training with Mr. D as well. kenpoinstrutor.blogspot.com (just a little plug)

[Rob Broad]

There is a right way and a wrong way to promote these events, this thread was the wrong way.

There are many great seniors out there and all have a lot to show, and that is the way it is meant to be. Huk is definitely the teacher's teacher. Nobody was better in the ring than Frank Trejo, and when it comes to sparring you would be hard pressed to find anyone in our realm that could show you more, Doc does what many consider to be Ed Parker's personal system, Dennis Conatser was one of the last guys to work consistantly with Ed Parker until just before his death, all of these men and several more have much to offer the American Kenpo Kenpo Community, they all have very definite strengths. To say that anyone of them has the last word on kenpo is a great mis-statement because they were all part of Ed Parker's Kenpo at different times during its evolution.

[KenpoCoach]

Hello everyone,

I feel poked and prodded from every angle by many people at KenpoTalk. What I would like to point out is that I never bad-mouthed or put down any other Kenpo Instructor. I do not even attack writers who disagree with my point of view. I never disrespect my former teacher or other students at my previous training facility and I never will.

The reactions I receive from many of the other members of KenpoTalk via their post are actually slanting my viewpoints, tainting my intent to the many viewers who read these post. One would think that I have in someway degraded Mr. Conaster or Mr. Trejo or any of the other great Kenpo Masters. Which is simply not the case. I never even use their names in my post. It is not me that makes these post look like I am attacking others. It is in fact many of your post that are making it seem as if I am. To see what I mean, please go back and reread some of my works, you will see that my works when considered by themselves, without the followup comments of others do not attack anyone. I am simply stating my opinions. Further recognize that my writing style may be offensive to some readers, primarily because I speak so strongly about the "you-know-whos in my life" and do not leave room on the pages for the abilities of other Instructors in the Kenpo World. But that is my choice.

One of the writers at KenpoTalk started a very interesting thread the other day. I am intending to respond to it soon. She asked basically why Kenpo seems so "Fragmented". Of course that may only be my understanding of her intent, but I would say we are "Fragmented" because some people are so global in their thinking that they do not appreciate someone who is single minded in purpose. My post are single minded in purpose. I am not writing about general Kenpo issues as of yet. When I do write about the general issues facing our society then I would welcome any opinions as that is healthy to the discussion. To date, I have written about events that I am personally involved with. My opinions are based upon my experiences and they are presented with my customary single mindedness.

As for Professor Doyle, he and I talk all the time. Mr. Doyle only concern about my writing to date is that I might sound exclusionary. He does not want someone to not come to the events because they think they are not welcomed. Kenpo is Kenpo, you do not need to be an adherent of Master Planas to come to his school and learn proper Kenpo. He has said that my writings may come across as saying if your not with Planas your not one of us. Which is not my intent, but I can see how some of the follow up post might make it seem that way. I believe my words as posted are all inclusive. I wish all who read my works to think to themselves; Either this guy is a nut or maybe, just maybe he is on to something. Perhaps I better check it out for myself...

That's all I want to say for now. I am not against anyone or any other Kenpo organization but I am definitely for what it is I do. Kenpoist who take the time to involve themselves with Mr. Doyle and Master Planas, who actually come to our events, may one day write for KenpoTalk as single minded as I do. As Professor Doyle has said; You don't know what you don't know.

Thank you.

KenpoCoach

[Drew]

Hello everyone,

I feel poked and prodded from every angle by many people at KenpoTalk. What I would like to point out is that I never bad-mouthed or put down any other Kenpo Instructor. I do not even attack writers who disagree with my point of view. I never disrespect my former teacher or other students at my previous training facility and I never will.
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One of the writers at KenpoTalk started a very interesting thread the other day. I am intending to respond to it soon. She asked basically why Kenpo seems so "Fragmented". Of course that may only be my understanding of her intent, but I would say we are "Fragmented" because some people are so global in their thinking that they do not appreciate someone who is single minded in purpose. My post are single minded in purpose. I am not writing about general Kenpo issues as of yet. When I do write about the general issues facing our society then I would welcome any opinions as that is healthy to the discussion. To date, I have written about events that I am personally involved with. My opinions are based upon my experiences and they are presented with my customary single mindedness.

It's fine by me if you have an opinion and state it. That being said if you are going to be single-minded and take-no-prisoners, then you have to be willing to take the heat that comes with being that way. So, while I didn't take what you said as bad-mouthing, it doesn't mean I have accept your opinion or to leave your opinion uncontested, if I disagree. Dr. Dave, Rob, and me (among others) from time to time express things that we take heat for and have to back up. I don't think anymore is expected from you.

As I recall, the thing I took issue with was the claim that Mr. Planas was teaching 'what Mr. Parker wanted.' I don't think there was 'one' thing Mr. Parker wanted. Moreover, I think the people best in the position to make such claims were those who were actively studying with him until the end. This includes Doc, Rich Hale, and Dennis Conaster to name a few. I think Doc is teaching what Mr. Parker wanted. While I firmly believe that, it doesn't preclude the possibility that others are teaching what they understood Mr. Parker wanted.

Also, I think it is generally understood that you believe your teacher or your teacher's teacher is da bomb. Why else would you choose to be associated with them? Personally, I think you were laying it on a little thick.

[Dr. Dave in da house]

It's fine by me if you have an opinion and state it. That being said if you are going to be single-minded and take-no-prisoners, then you have to be willing to take the heat that comes with being that way. So, while I didn't take what you said as bad-mouthing, it doesn't mean I have accept your opinion or to leave your opinion uncontested, if I disagree. Dr. Dave, Rob, and me (among others) from time to time express things that we take heat for and have to back up. I don't think anymore is expected from you.

As I recall, the thing I took issue with was the claim that Mr. Planas was teaching 'what Mr. Parker wanted.' I don't think there was 'one' thing Mr. Parker wanted. Moreover, I think the people best in the position to make such claims were those who were actively studying with him until the end. This includes Doc, Rich Hale, and Dennis Conaster to name a few. I think Doc is teaching what Mr. Parker wanted. While I firmly believe that, it doesn't preclude the possibility that others are teaching what they understood Mr. Parker wanted.

Also, I think it is generally understood that you believe your teacher or your teacher's teacher is da bomb. Why else would you choose to be associated with them? Personally, I think you were laying it on a little thick.

Ayup. Communication is never what is just spoken; it includes what is inferred or alluded to. Sometimes, the unspoken second half of the sentence is heard more loudly than the spoken half. If someone says, "It may not be my place to say you're a frikkin' idiot, but..." and they leave it at that, what should the audience infer the speaker is actually saying? Passive-aggressive folks would use that for a "poor me" out..."What are you mad at me for...I never actually CALLED him a frikkin idiot."

It comes across as manipulative, passive-aggressive, and other asundry crunchity goodness. You really can't expect to make comments of that manner on a public forum, and not get your suspenders pulled for it.

KenpoCoach:
The phrase, "My religion is the only true one, and everybody else is going to hell" spoken from a podium erected in a public square, is effectively the same thing as approaching each person in the square individually, staring them in the eye, and poking them in the chest with your finger while saying, "You are going to hell". Do it enough times to enough people, and eventually someones going to respind to the obnoxious nature of the message by taking a poke at you.

The global statements you, KenpoCoach, have a propensity to use are the same thing. They are indirect criticisms, accusations, insults, and are done from behind the veneer of deniable inference/innuendo. To insist that you're the innocent victim of our/my relentless and unjust persecution just looks like more manipulative passive-aggression; it is an active denial of the role you specifically played in creating the situation. If you do not like the situation, use different words. Select for phrases that are not inflammatory, indirect insults to everybody who is not on your same page.

I think Huk is an important member of our kenpo senior college; one of several. I do not think he is the sole and infallible kenpo messiah. Your writing is still exclusionary, but not in the way you seem to have identified. Rather, "come and learn proper kenpo fom the only real qualified source" requires would-be prospects to be in agreement with that statement prior to signing up; participation equals collusion. Many will avoid the event, based on the way you couch it. If you are truly interested in exposing more of the kenpo world to Huks offerings, your communication would be more effective if you listed the benefits of his approach, how it has positively influenced your kenpo growth and the growth of others in your crew, and what, specifically, unannointed participants can expect to gain from participation in the experience.

These forums fit an Action model of communication, rather than Transactional. Messaging is one way...writer to remote reader...rather than moving at the speed of gesture and expression, phrases modified on the fly based on percievable feedback to message, etc. This makes it even more important to pay attention to the old adage, "The meaning of your communication is the response you get." If you aren't getting the response you aimed for, the onus is on you to modify the comunication until you do.

You aren't a victim of anything. You are a participant in a transaction that isn't going as well as you would like, as a direct effect of your word selection. Don't like it? Change it. Tell me why I should go to the next one in words that don't glorify Huk, don't diminish the value of other kenpo elders, but which do relate specifics of growth I can look forward to experiencing by showing up. It really is your choice. Your messages to the world about these events can create arguments, or they can create improved results. It's up to you.

[jfarnsworth]

At this moment I do not care what was said above this post!!!!




On another note.
This was yet again, one of the best seminar's I've been to of Mr. Planas'. I loved having been able to go through 2 man set to get all the nuances right. That's something I've been looking forward to for a long time. The few blue belt techniques we did I got the lights on for one. Sometimes it just takes a slightly different approach to get the full understanding. This happened to me yesterday on one of them.

It was nice to be among friends, to meet new ones, & visit with old ones. I would like to also thank one of my students, Jim, for going to see Mr. Planas for the first time. I'm sure it was a great experience for you.

[gixxershane]

At this moment I do not care what was said above this post!!!!




On another note.
This was yet again, one of the best seminar's I've been to of Mr. Planas'. I loved having been able to go through 2 man set to get all the nuances right. That's something I've been looking forward to for a long time. The few blue belt techniques we did I got the lights on for one. Sometimes it just takes a slightly different approach to get the full understanding. This happened to me yesterday on one of them.

It was nice to be among friends, to meet new ones, & visit with old ones. I would like to also thank one of my students, Jim, for going to see Mr. Planas for the first time. I'm sure it was a great experience for you.

Glad you had an enjoyable experience at this event... I wish I could have attended

I loved having been able to go through 2 man set to get all the nuances right. That's something I've been looking forward to for a long time. The few blue belt techniques we did I got the lights on for one.

could you elaborate on this for those who could not attend? please??

[KenpoCoach]

Later today, possibly tomorrow I plan to post a review of this Planas event.

Mr. Farnsworth, your words mean a great deal to me. Thank you.

KenpoCoach