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    Default Kajukenbo Grab Art 1

    Thought i would inject something different to discuss. I'm not a Black belt in Kajukenbo but, the system i took was heavily influenced by it


    Grab Art 1
    Double lapel grab-
    a) hands come up and under attacker’s arms to grab and lock up elbows (right hand on his left elbow and left on his right),

    b) front snap kick to groin with right foot (don't place foot down, see next step),

    c) step back with right (into forward stance to off-balance attacker, still locking up attacker's arms),

    d) circle arms outward and down striking attacker's forearms with heel of palm breaking grip outward,

    e) step back and cover

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    Default Re: Kajukenbo Grab Art 1

    Do you begin this technique in a natural stance? So I'd be kicking from there, while attached, and then stepping back while locking out his arms? -Rob
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thesemindz View Post
    Do you begin this technique in a natural stance? So I'd be kicking from there, while attached, and then stepping back while locking out his arms? -Rob

    They all start from the ready position and the stepping back is add support and stop from being pushed back and the kicks comes from the recoil of the step back
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    This is pretty much it...

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    Ok, that's very different from how I was picturing it from the description. There were several moves shown that weren't in the write up. Kind of like Lone Kimono plus kicking. Makes more sense when you see it. Not my preferred response to that attack, but I liked the way it was demonstrated. Personally, I don't want to go up on one foot with an opponent connected to my centerline. -Rob
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    Default Re: Kajukenbo Grab Art 1

    If you hit those elbows right with your hands, he won't want to stay connected very much.
    A lot of the Kaju stuff looks unpretty, but pretty effective.

    You'll notice this is a little different version, the defender didn't step back after the front kick, and he threw in that last side kick. (which could've been executed better).
    In fact, he didn't circle arms in the described direction either, so maybe I shouldn't have posted this clip to illustrate. My bad.
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    Tradition is not about the preservation of the ashes, but about keeping the flame alive

    Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear to be bright until you hear them speak

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    the base technique stops after the kick, after that, it is all ad-lib. Kaju makes extensive use of ad-libs, you can craft your own techniques buildt on the base you learn.
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    John,

    Isn't that what Sijo wanted..you have to use the original requirements as a skeleton but you could add what you wanted as long as that is kept in....thats why there are 6 or 7 main "family" sytems of kaju now
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    exactly right. he told people "go, be creative, but never forget your roots"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Twin Fist View Post
    exactly right. he told people "go, be creative, but never forget your roots"
    That's why I LOVE kajukenbo. MY Kenpo instructor loved it, and we practiced alot of the techniques. MY guys are learning them too. I even throw in some KF San Soo stuff.

    Variety is the spice of life, they say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twin Fist View Post
    the base technique stops after the kick, after that, it is all ad-lib. Kaju makes extensive use of ad-libs, you can craft your own techniques buildt on the base you learn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KenpoChanger View Post
    Can I get an Amen?
    Amen!

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    thats why we dont have the problems with "you are doing that technique wrong" since everyone's is different. Unlike Parker's creation.

    The thing to remember is that Sijo learned kenpo from Chow BEFORE chow changed everything, so it is pretty much PURE kenpo, and kaju was created BEFORE parker took chows art and made it into a living physics experiment.

    in general, kaju have less theory, more ass kicking.
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    Alot can be learned from that very theory.

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    Default Re: Kajukenbo Grab Art 1

    Here is another clip that shows the white/purple techniques in the Original Method (From Prof. Bishop's school)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Entryteam View Post
    Alot can be learned from that very theory.

    true, but if you spend all your time on physics, you miss out on the ass kicking
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    Quote Originally Posted by Twin Fist View Post
    thats why we dont have the problems with "you are doing that technique wrong" since everyone's is different. Unlike Parker's creation.

    The thing to remember is that Sijo learned kenpo from Chow BEFORE chow changed everything, so it is pretty much PURE kenpo, and kaju was created BEFORE parker took chows art and made it into a living physics experiment.

    in general, kaju have less theory, more ass kicking.
    Some one can come along and correct me if I'm wrong, but much of the theory and physics in Kenpo are for the instructor to learn and understand; however, a student learning to defend themselves, or fight really doesnt need the excess information to do so, unless they wish to teach.
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    the teacher needs to know the theory to explain WHY

    the student needs to know the what, and maybe someday when they really know the what, they will know enough to be able to understand the why
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    Quote Originally Posted by Twin Fist View Post
    the teacher needs to know the theory to explain WHY

    the student needs to know the what, and maybe someday when they really know the what, they will know enough to be able to understand the why
    In our organization we are tasked to know the exact wording for any given concept so that we aren't fumbling for words, and that's what i think the intention of any given EPAK school was, but it doesn't seem to keep the movement itself from drifting into sloppiness; so, perhaps you have a small point, but a hat will cover that up.
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