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    Default Kosho Ryu 3/8 Drill - 2 Person Set

    Here is a breakdown of this excellent drill.

    This drill is great for developing hand/eye and foot/eye coordination as well as speed needed for good shintai and tai sabaki.
    It is one of the basic drills to teach escaping.

    One should keep in mind the movement of a boxer, keep your weight on your toes and push your body in the direction of movement rather than step and bring up the rear leg. This pushing off serves to mask the tell tale signs of movement and direction.

    You are standing in the centre of the octagon with your hands in the kigan (ogamite) posture, knees bent, shoulders hunched slightly forward.
    Your hands should be up in front of your head......and you should be able to see behind your feet with your peripheral vision; have your training partner walk around you to test this (good time to practice seeing without looking).

    So, we have ourselves set up.....what do we do now?
    The 3/8 drill means: defending yourself 8 times from 8 angles while you are attacked 8 times from 3 angles.
    WHAT?!?!?!?!
    The solo octagon pattern has you moving to angles 1 thru 8......when advancing you use a clearing motion (moving your hands laterally away from your body which acts as a parry somewhat), when moving rearward your hands move into position as if they were grabbing the attacking arm.
    i.e. moving to angle 2 the left leg steps back to 2 with the right leg shuffling back, the left hand moves into a face down position as if grabbing the top of the wrist, the right hand supine as if grabbing the elbow.
    Uke always punches to the centre of the octagon.
    Clear?.....alright.



    Uke stands at angle 7 and punches with a right hand, tori steps to angle 1 (clearing motion).
    Uke stands at angle 7 and punches with a left, tori moves to angle 2 and grabs arm.
    Uke steps to angle 1.
    Uke punches with right hand, tori moves to angle 3 (clearing).
    Uke punches with left hand, tori moves to angle 4 (clearing).
    Uke punches with right hand, tori moves to angle 5 (clearing).
    Uke punches with left hand, tori moves to angle 6 and grabs arm.
    Uke now steps to angle 5.
    Uke punches with left, tori moves to angle 7 (clearing).
    Uke punches with right, tori moves to angle 8 and grabs arm.

    As a final movement to throw in......do a 9th movement and have uke throw another punch. for the 9th movement drop down into frog position......just as it sounds in the centre of the octagon

    One thing to remember.....uke always cocks for the next punch as soon as he misses and he should be trying to clip tori.....there is no point in tori escaping if there is nothing to escape from.

    The timing should be similar to that in the animation.

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    Default Re: Kosho Ryu 3/8 Drill - 2 Person Set

    Hi Shawn,

    That's a cool drill, we do the hachi heinkei all the time. I've never done it as a two person set. We've learned the 9th and 10th positions, 10 being a jump in the air.

    We also do the hachi heinkei with front/back stances and blocking. I'm sure that variation could be done with the two person set.

    Thanks for sharing..

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    Default Re: Kosho Ryu 3/8 Drill - 2 Person Set

    Thank you for sharing.

    On the 3-4 line do you turn outward, inward, or face 1 & shuffle?

    _Don Flatt

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    Default Re: Kosho Ryu 3/8 Drill - 2 Person Set

    That's an awesome illustration also. Thanks for posting this!!
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    Default Re: Kosho Ryu 3/8 Drill - 2 Person Set

    Quote Originally Posted by Kosho Gakkusei View Post
    Thank you for sharing.

    On the 3-4 line do you turn outward, inward, or face 1 & shuffle?

    _Don Flatt
    On angle 3 and 4 you face the angle.
    I like working these 2 angles to really help speed up my ability to turn 90°, which is an important skill in itself when practicing escaping arts.
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    Default Re: Kosho Ryu 3/8 Drill - 2 Person Set

    Thank you Shawn! What you're saying about 90 is so true. Sometimes when I practice the Octagon I visualize an attack for each angle and turn to 90 for each attack/angle. 90 positioning creates the opportunity for effective striking, locking, and throwing.

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    Default Re: Kosho Ryu 3/8 Drill - 2 Person Set

    From my understanding, the octagon is really based on kenjutsu as a means of tactical repositioning.
    The last thing you want to do in a confrontation involving a razor sharp hunk of steel is to try and block it. Evasion combined with an attack IMO is the ideal way of handling it.
    This is why understanding the escaping arts is so important.

    Escape doesnt mean running away......I look at it like escaping danger.
    If i can escape and disappear (kieru waza) momentarily, it makes it harder for my opponent to track me, making it easier for me to attack them.

    Something to practice might be moving to an angle that puts you behind your attacker, turning 90°, then sliding backwards.
    You could essentially get your attacker to have to turn almost 360° to find you........that's a scary prospect, considering when he finally see's you he's also feeling a fist popping him on the chin.

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    Default Re: Kosho Ryu 3/8 Drill - 2 Person Set

    Hi,
    great drill and the move (twice) comes into play here I feel... like with action there is a reaction... so when the attacker punches and you move 90 and then 45 from that 90 you have taken a action and made it a reaction in turn made it a action... now the attacker is on the defense...
    WHO grabs WHO???
    comes into play also... I know off track alittle..
    steve

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    Default Re: Kosho Ryu 3/8 Drill - 2 Person Set

    I like it ... nice graphic too.
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