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    Ahh, another semester teaching Karate begins next week. Now these students are generally soft college kids who have little interest in continuing with MA. Though not all, some have rank in other systems and some do continue. We used to teach a regimented class, but found that was to much for most of them.
    The class is 6:30 PM til 8 PM. 2 classes a week held in a large (balcony area) next to the BB court (tends to get very noisy so it's difficult to yell out instructions and be heard by all)
    20 students give or take, plus a handful of our own students to assist.

    We have mats and equipment to spar (generally we teach falls and rolls and basic punches, kicks, and some basic SD tecs.

    I would like to have you all toss about some ideas. Fresh ideas because honestly, I need it

    Lamont (Blindside) has been to our college classes and knows exactly what I am talking about with the noise etc

    Thanks~!

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    Is there a PA available to you? If not, you could get a relatively cheap mixer from Radio Shak along with a cordless mic (like aerobics instuctors use.) Otherwise, I guess you could purchase a bull horn! LOL.

    Is there another area or room you could use instead? I suppose if the weather permits you could take it outside.

    I'm sure you've probably already considered these suggestions...
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    Quote Originally Posted by KenpoTess
    Ahh, another semester teaching Karate begins next week. Now these students are generally soft college kids who have little interest in continuing with MA. Though not all, some have rank in other systems and some do continue. We used to teach a regimented class, but found that was to much for most of them.
    The class is 6:30 PM til 8 PM. 2 classes a week held in a large (balcony area) next to the BB court (tends to get very noisy so it's difficult to yell out instructions and be heard by all)
    20 students give or take, plus a handful of our own students to assist.

    We have mats and equipment to spar (generally we teach falls and rolls and basic punches, kicks, and some basic SD tecs.

    I would like to have you all toss about some ideas. Fresh ideas because honestly, I need it

    Lamont (Blindside) has been to our college classes and knows exactly what I am talking about with the noise etc

    Thanks~!

    ~Tess
    What types of ideas are you looking for. Ideas to combat the noise, or lesson ideas to keep the motivation high and the classes inspiring so they want top come back each night. I have no idea how combat the noise, I am naturally loud and project my voice quite well. If you are looking for class ideas I can probably come up with some that will help out.
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    I've been to the "other room" and the balcony is preferable.

    Tess, regarding the noise, you've got the assistant instructors to demonstrate in front of the class, while the instructor circulates and yells from the middle.

    I recall teaching a progression of sparring combos and counters to the college class and they seemed to enjoy it.

    We don't usually teach our basics to beginners in a group setting, but in a college (credit?) class like this you don't really have a choice. Personally, I like to show application on every basic, so the first nights basics might be neutral bow, forward bow, front kick, backfist (or vertical) and a reverse punch. That results in build combination of lead hand vertical, to lead hand vertical and reverse punch, to front kick & lead hand vert & reverse (and make sure they do it on each other). This gives people a feeling of application every night. You guys use the Parker freestyle techs so you could pull from those for inspiration.

    But basics are basics, you can't make it fun all the time.

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    A cheap PA system would work or you could break off into to small groups and make sure each assistant is using the same lesson plan. This would make getting through the noise a lot easier. the head instructor would then float from group to group making smalll corrections.

    When we get a new student I have a standard first lesson, and it works for 1 person or 100. I start off by putting everyone in a horse stance, I am not looking for perfection just a loose horse stance. I then start teaching them the upward block, I don't tell the student that they are learning a block. I just get a motion going, and make soem minor corrections as needed. From there we go into the inward block, again not saying they have learned a block. I continue this all the way through Star Block Set, never telling the student they are learning blocks. I then stand in front of the student and tell them to do the actions, and I start throwing punches. It is pretty neat to see teh looks on their faces when they start blocking your punches. After they have blocked the punches we go back and clean up the horse stance, and clean up the blocks. The student leaves that night with a feeling of accomplishment, and that usually brings them back to class the next night.
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    You're so right Lamont, that other room is totally silly to work out any number of people~! But unfortunately methinks we will be using it alot this semester as there's a bunch of BB, cheerleading, volleyball events that for some unknown *don't get me started* reason that takes precedence over credit bearing classes..
    (for those that don't know what we are talking about, we are relegated a double class room where we have to move all the desks out into the hall and cram 20 people into working out.. arghh)

    I liked your drills of the sparring moves, and know the kids loved them~! Hey how's bout coming back this year ~!!

    The PA system is available, but I am leaning toward needing fresh material for these guys and not the 'sound conditions'


    Just putting feelers out for something new. Will teach the basic punches, horse stance and kicks, just wondered if there was anything being done out there that would interesting to new students

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    Thanks Rob

    Yes, we do that too, Start them off in a line up, man it's amazing how these guys line up *G* 6 across and 3 deep, ends up being 4, 3, 5, 4 and 2 in lines.. too funny~!!

    We teach them straight punch, reverse, basic backfist, blocking set, Front kick, side, roundhouse and back kicks. Horsestance, training horse, meditation horse, RNB, LNB- and so on.

    I generally ask them what type of attack are they most afraid of, chokes, being attacked from behind etc. Then we take a tec and work on that.
    They have fun with it and enjoy it. I think it's moreso me that wants something new to work on with them

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    Celtic Thanks, yeah that's not so much the problem as I'm getting bored ~!!

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    I know there is a great thread on Drills taht AmyLong started that could be useful and in the Business resources thread I started there is a link to a site with lots of great ideas.

    One that I have been thinking about is circuit training. Where you set up several stations in a room, and have students in small groups rotate to each station. This gives you more one on one with each student when they come over in their group. You see new faces every 15 minutes or so, and keeps them thinking the whole class which inturns makes them want to come back more so that you can get on with the more fun stuff later on.
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    Cool thanks Rob, I'll check those out.

    We do the circuit training, that's always fun

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    Do the university students earn rank? I am currently trying to get into the college and university up here, and I am looking for as much info as possible.
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    We used to teach the first half of yellow belt curriculum to the U. students. At the end of the semester they were tested in front of a panel. They did earn advanced white belt.
    That was when Phys. Ed. was a requirement for graduation. Now the students only have to take 1 phys ed course (unless their major requires more), and that is a Wellness class that is called 'Fitness for Life' which is 2 credit hours.

    So now we don't bother with a stylized curriculum, there is no final exam and the students are just filling in elective credits.
    So no more rank is given.



    This is the breakdown of Shepherd University Phys Ed programs
    GSPE 210. Fitness for Life (2)
    This course covers the dimensions of fitness and wellness including the components of physical fitness, nutrition, weight management, stress management, preventable disease, STD prevention, and developing a personal fitness wellness program for each individual. Academic and physical activities are both part of this course. This course meets the GSPE requirement.
    Additional General Studies Physical Education Courses for Elective Credit
    GSPE 100. Adapted PE I (may be repeated once)
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    So roughly you can put together what you want for their classes as long as they can handle what is being taught.

    That in itself is a double edged sword, you have no constraints but that takes away part of yor structure.
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    Exactly~! That's what makes it rather frustrating, some of the students really want to learn.. other's are just 'there'.... and I'm at the point of, not wanting to 'Give Away' our material, not when we have paying students *who also are our assistant instructors for the U. Classes*.. sooo.. hence my question.. some ideas to keep their interest.. yet not to much as to overload.. and not to much as to scare them away..

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    I actually think you had a good thing with half of the yellow belt. And if tehy want to earn a yellow belt then thy must come in to your school. have you had many people from the University join your school?
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    We started our school with the first year core group of U. students. They really wanted more.. and they got just that We started the school and they continued. Though as is with College kids.. what happens.. they graduate and move on. So that in itself was a great way to start off.. most are now living in other states. Every Semester we get a handful who wish to continue.. Though they may start off all excited and raring to go.. most find they don't have the time to devote, the money to pay and they dissolve back into the shadows. A few have continued and they are truly a good bunch.
    We give them a taste.. maybe a teaser shall I say, of what Kenpo is about. We don't really stress joining the school as at this point in time, we are not about Commercialism.. *oh we were at one time.. but things have changed*
    We have seen some real talent come and go in the U. classes.. but it's just that.. the ones that show talent, most have a different path to follow.

    Trying to get these guys to even memorize the Kenpo Creed is .. well let's see, we had 2 out of a dozen last semester even attempt it.. and with our curriculum being alot of mental stuff.. rather difficult to ask them to do so when it's an elective class

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    For a groupl like that I would probably push more of the physical side of the art, lots of lots of basics, and a few self defenses. Finding fun drills for the basics is probably the hardest part.
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    Yeah, I think I'm just getting burned out on going no where with most of them. With our regular students.. now that's fun.. always something new

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    There is also a strong regiment of basics, basics, and more basics. Putting together strong combinations to make them sweat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Broad
    There is also a strong regiment of basics, basics, and more basics. Putting together strong combinations to make them sweat.
    ...kind of like a stylized Kenpo-Tae-Bo?

    The reason I ask is that I'm currently working on a degree in Education and eventually hope to reach the University level. Once there, I figured I could use that as an outlet to add Kenpo (in some way) to the PE curriculum and hopefully create more interest in the local community. You see, for some reason, MA is not that big in the South East compared to the rest of the States and I wish to help change that.
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