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    Just wondering if any of you practice breaking- boards, bricks, ice etc. We do not use breaking as part of the promotionial material in Kara-Ho but we have breaking seminars and a tournament once in awhile ...

    Just curious-

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    I've "broken" at other schools years ago. The only thing I've seen broken in the last few years are noses and ribs though. LOL. =)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dianhsuhe
    We do not use breaking as part of the promotionial material in Kara-Ho
    Well, not any more, but: http://www.karaho.com/images/cover8.jpg

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    In that past I have had kids break boards but only as a concentration and motivational tool.
    Quality outweighs quantity every time.

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    Boards don't hit back.

    I have broken my share of boards in the past too. Now we just have the kids to it at graduation so they can show the family something.

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    I'll teach it if someone wants to do it, but I do not require it. I used to do quite a bit of it, but it's an expensive hobby.
    Just because you do something one way, does not mean that everyone else does it that way, or that it is even the correct way.

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    I meant breaking is not required for promotions in rank advancement-

    Good pic though eh?
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    Very nive pic. I got to hold baseball bats for Albert Mady a couple times back in the 90's. It was pretty intense watching him drive his shin through 3 baseball bat handles.
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    Ouch! The thought of even banging my shin on the coffee table makes me cringe. LOL.
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    Breaking ? We mostly just Pop & Lock...I also kinda dig the Sprinkler...

    Oh.... ...we're not talking about urban dance fads?

    Well..that's different...y'all sit on down and get comfortable...it's Sifu's Story time...I worked with one of the most dynamic breakers in the Northwest for many years. I could highlight some experiences, but I think this might be better.

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    Hard to believe just 2 short weeks ago I had been more or less minding my own business when this crazy little old man entered my peaceful martial arts world and turned it upside down. His name was Archie. He was the most unconventional Master of the Martial Arts I had ever encountered. I had pondered that fateful meeting a great deal this past week. Of course I had also lost no little sleep wondering what I had volunteered myself for today. It was Saturday, a week since I had been asked to assist this peculiar little man with some kind of demo. Strange I thought, he was rather vague about the particulars of this demonstration. Where it was to be, who it was for, and most importantly what my role was to be in it.

    It certainly wasn't my first demo. I'd been involved in the martial arts most of my life. However, my experience with demos typically involved a great deal of very careful choreography and tons of rehearsal. Surely I was to play a very minor role today. After all, I had only met and worked with Sifu Archie twice, and most of that was literally spent being tossed about like the proverbial hot potato. I took a deep breath and tried to relax. Surely what he really meant was he wanted me to watch his demonstration, otherwise he would have prepared me with some kind of script, instead of just commanding me to show up at 10am the day of the demo. I laughed at myself for the anguish I'd put myself through for no valid reason. It was almost 10am; I was about to find out either way, worrying unnecessarily wasn't going to help matters at all.


    I pulled into his long twisting driveway to find a class of sorts in progress. Was I late? I checked my watch, 9:52am. No, I was positive he said 10am. I got out of the car and joined in as best as I could with the group. Sifu Archebeque took his regulars through their paces and barely acknowledged me. He then dismissed his class, telling a few students where and when to meet him later for the demo. Again, I hadn't noted any specific preparations other than that? Well, I assumed that perhaps he wanted to get his class out of the way, then focus on the new guy and get him prepared for the demo. Yeah, that had to be it.


    The students filed out and it was finally my turn. I snapped to an eager attention. Archie just looked at me, something like amusement dancing in his eyes. "I'm hungry, you hungry?" the old man asked me. Caught off guard, I nodded mutely. "Uh, sure." He grinned, "Lets go get something to eat then, Grasshopper." Slightly confused I climbed into his car and off we went for some carne asada. We ate and talked conversationally about many things, none of them being the impending demo. I decided that he was going to work with me after lunch. After all, we DID have all afternoon.

    We headed back to his place and again, I sprang outta the car, ready to rock and roll. Archie looked at the sky, remarked about how some of the yard could use some attention, then headed for the door. He looked back over his shoulder and asked, "Do you like boxing?" Becoming rapidly accustomed to being caught off guard here, I nodded. "Sure." I followed him into the house and we sat down and watched some mediocre boxing. Well, it might been better, if I could keep my mind focused on it. All I could think of, was had I somehow offended my would-be teacher? Did I misunderstand him when he asked me to help him? Had he simply changed his mind about using the new, untested wildcard? I'm really not sure what else we did that afternoon, I only know none of it was spent practicing for this big demo. Eventually he glanced at the clock and announced it was time we got going.


    We traveled to the capitol, to the college and I noticed the marquee stated that there was an ESPN Full Contact Karate match that evening. There were already a couple of vans offloading camera equipment. I carried my bag in, although had decided that I was not to be a part of events after all. We met a handful of Archie's students inside. Master Archie told them it was time to get dressed. He pointed towards the locker rooms and made to go himself. I'm sure I looked kind of dejected right about then, as he turned around and said, "Hey Skinny, did you bring your gi? Come on. What are you waitin' for?" Fortunately for me, I swallowed the first several responses that begged to come out of my lips. "Right behind you, Sifu." While we changed, Archie and his students bantered lightly about everything except the demo. All I could think is "This is nuts! Have these people ever put on a demo before?" Ironically it was just about then, that Master Archie asked me, "Have you ever done a demo before?" I thought, "Now's a great time to ask", I said, "Of course, Sifu." He said, "Good. Do as I say." Armed with that, we were apparently now fully prepared for the exhibition.


    The under card fights started, we watched from the wings. Archie's students began packing things in from their cars. Just before the main event, we were announced. We walked out to see the bleachers filled to capacity and camera crews following us. Archie's students carried those big anvil-like bases and enough building supplies to begin construction on our own Great Wall. I remember being keenly aware of every word that Sifu spoke that evening, although I'd be hard-pressed to repeat any of it now. It looked like we were going to start with a breaking demo. Sifu piled a number of bricks in an unusual array. Placing one flat, the next on edge, then flat, edge, flat into a double I-Beam, that was 18 inches thick with no spacers whatsoever. He then reached into a box and removed a plastic Pepsi bottle. He gripped it in one hand and pierced it with the index finger of his free hand. I'd never seen that done before. He turned to the stacked blocks. He raised his hand and slapped them nonchalantly. They crumbled from the bottom up.


    He then began rebuilding the stack, another I-Beam break, this one using only 3 blocks, one flat, one sideways, one flat again. He nodded to me. I nodded back. He nodded again. I nodded back again. "Yeah, that'll be great. Not as impressive as the last one, but nonetheless." Suddenly it dawned on me. He expected ME to break that stack! As I stated earlier, I had done demos before, and yes, some of them did involve breaking. Of course the breaking consisted of inch pine boards and usually only one of those at a time. My previous instructor's philosophy being something along the lines of "When is the last time a tree or brick wall attacked you?"
    I approached the bricks with what I hoped was minimal shaking. He had explained the theory behind these bigger breaks just last week. I reviewed his words rapidly in my mind. I figured that he was confident I could do this, or he wouldn't have asked me to do it. I also really, really wanted to study under this man, so did not want to disappoint him. I made the final approach, fully prepared to beat on those things 'til the lights went out and the crowd went home. Up close they looked even more substantial than they had from across the ring. I lined my hand up carefully. Archie took my hand and sotto voce whispered, "Remember, hit here, break bone. Hit here, cause internal bleeding. Hit here, break bricks." So now I'm really paranoid, trying to line that exact point he'd indicated on my hand, with the precise center of the bricks. I crossed myself, closed my eyes and this image suddenly bursts into existence in my mind's eye. Perhaps the single clearest image I have ever seen. I can sense the rough texture of the blocks, their brittle dryness, the way the individual grains bond together. I can see my hand in slow motion as it approaches the blocks, a strangely glowing aura preceding it. The aura seems to slip between the bonds, which hold the bricks together, forcing them to relinquish their grip on one another. The blocks simply seem to disintegrate. I open my eyes, unsure of what I have just seen. I raise my hand with infinitely more confidence than a moment before. My hand seems to hang in the air for several long moments, until gravity finally overcomes it and it comes crashing down in a single furiously focused blow. The bricks crumbled as if made of sugar beneath my hand. I stood up, trying to act as nonchalant as the Master had. Inside my head I was doing cartwheels and back-handsprings. Outwardly my pose said, "I do this all the time." After the demo, people I had known for some time came up to me and said, "I didn't know you could do things like that?" Truth to tell, before that evening, neither did I. Archie winked as his students cleared the debris away. They joined behind me, as Archie finished his brief speech on his thoughts on self-defense. He turned and said, "My students will now attack me, we no rehearse this, it's for real." A helpful student again whispered, "He means it, give all you've got, or he'll be insulted."


    The rest of this demo, consisted of Sifu Archie manipulating us around the stage as if he were the puppet master and we his puppets. No matter what we did, he was in full command. We punched, we kicked, we slashed with knives (real sharp ones, no Tupperware here!) and we tried unsuccessfully to play home run derby on his head with clubs. It didn't matter, whatever we did, he was always 3 moves ahead of us, anticipating our every move and countermove. More often than not, it was all we could do, to keep from seriously hurting one another. Sifu danced, skipped, and posed for the crowd, seemingly unaware of our best efforts to cause him serious bodily harm. Of course, everyone there was certain this was a rehearsed and choreographed bit, it had to be. Those of us stuck in that ring that night knew differently. Having been in the midst of things, I really can't say what the demo looked like from the outside? Having experienced the Master in action, I learned that night, what being a Master was all about.


    Sifu Archebeque had for some reason decided he liked this young, cocky black belt, even if I don't think he really knew my name for years. I was always, "Skinny". In time this skinny kid, would become his favorite dummy. I even stayed with him over the next summer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dianhsuhe View Post
    Just wondering if any of you practice breaking- boards, bricks, ice etc. We do not use breaking as part of the promotionial material in Kara-Ho but we have breaking seminars and a tournament once in awhile ...

    Just curious-

    Have a great day!

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    Yes, broken almost everything you can break in the martial arts.

    However even SGM Parker quit this practice in his later years.

    It can help develop focused power and is a huge confidence builder, however I do not do it anymore on a regular basis as I have noticed joint pain after many years of the practice.

    Could be I am just getting older?

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    Quote Originally Posted by katsudo_karate View Post

    Could be I am just getting older?

    Nah!
    Say it ain't so, Bro!

    But yes, in recent years I have slowed my roll on breaking things way down. See...I like to be able to manipulate my fingers for things like...ridiculously long posts.
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    My first kempo teacher was big on breaking.....those lil red house bricks are dang hard.
    It taught me a lot in terms of generating and focusing, but I wont do it anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SifuDangeRuss View Post
    Say it ain't so, Bro!

    But yes, in recent years I have slowed my roll on breaking things way down. See...I like to be able to manipulate my fingers for things like...ridiculously long posts.
    I hear ya man, I won't be trying any coconuts anytime soon.
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    Nice post DangeRuss. Did you continue to train under Sifu Archie?

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    Great Story 'Russ! Just goes to show you, that occasionally, the old guys know what they're doing...

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    Quote Originally Posted by crane557 View Post
    Nice post DangeRuss. Did you continue to train under Sifu Archie?
    I do. He's been my mentor since landing in the Pacific NW. He's getting older now, and recently had a kneecap replaced..(I assume with the hinge from a bank vault?) ..so the amount of physical time he spends tossing me about like a ragdoll is somewhat limited. Although, I took one of my blackbelts down to visit him while he we recovering from his surgury...and he proceeded to utilize his walker to thwart the most erstwhile attacks of my student. He's definately of the 'Old School' generation. He did train at one point with the legendary lopper of Bull Horns himself, Mas Oyama. His hands are unique to say the least. There is so much calcium deposits, you cannot even feel the individual bones within his hands and they feel as if they are wrapped in raw leather. Don't even consider what it feels like when he jabs one of those steel rebar-like fingers into a pressure point, or grabs a hold of you with that iron-grip. Fahgetaboutit

    This is part of a series of short stories I wrote, in an effort to archive the uniqueness of the training and relationship I had with this one of a kind teacher. It dawned on me one day that experiences like this, were a dying breed and it might be interesting for modern students to hear about the old methods. If tehre's an interest, perhaps I'll post the other portions in the Article section?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SifuDangeRuss View Post

    I do. He's been my mentor since landing in the Pacific NW. He's getting older now, and recently had a kneecap replaced..(I assume with the hinge from a bank vault?) ..so the amount of physical time he spends tossing me about like a ragdoll is somewhat limited. Although, I took one of my blackbelts down to visit him while he we recovering from his surgury...and he proceeded to utilize his walker to thwart the most erstwhile attacks of my student. He's definately of the 'Old School' generation. He did train at one point with the legendary lopper of Bull Horns himself, Mas Oyama. His hands are unique to say the least. There is so much calcium deposits, you cannot even feel the individual bones within his hands and they feel as if they are wrapped in raw leather. Don't even consider what it feels like when he jabs one of those steel rebar-like fingers into a pressure point, or grabs a hold of you with that iron-grip. Fahgetaboutit

    This is part of a series of short stories I wrote, in an effort to archive the uniqueness of the training and relationship I had with this one of a kind teacher. It dawned on me one day that experiences like this, were a dying breed and it might be interesting for modern students to hear about the old methods. If tehre's an interest, perhaps I'll post the other portions in the Article section?
    Please do.
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    I'm sure we'd all enjoy more! Thanks

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    Does ne1 have advice on breaking?

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