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    Default Re-Inventing the Wheel

    If you were to re-invent the kenpo system with only 10 - 16 of the existing techniques, and then use the equation one aspect of the equation formula at each belt to build the system i.e yellow belt - base technique, orange belt - prefix, purple belt - suffix etc....

    What techniques would you use?
    What forms if any would you use?
    What sets if any would you use?
    Would you add anything else? If so what?
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    You only need one inside and one outward tech to do so, why be redundant with ten or sixteen?
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    Default Re: Re-Inventing the Wheel

    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Broad
    If you were to re-invent the kenpo system with only 10 - 16 of the existing techniques, and then use the equation one aspect of the equation formula at each belt to build the system i.e yellow belt - base technique, orange belt - prefix, purple belt - suffix etc....

    What techniques would you use?
    What forms if any would you use?
    What sets if any would you use?
    Would you add anything else? If so what?
    Good question! What is your take on it?
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    Default Re: Re-Inventing the Wheel

    If I was to try this experiment I would use.

    All the sets, All of the Long Forms because the hold many subtle keys to learning how to move properly.

    I use the following techniques
    THUNDERING HAMMERS
    FIVE SWORDS
    LONE KIMONO
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    REPEATING MACE
    LOCKED WING
    INTELLECTUAL DEPARTURE
    THRUSTING SALUTE
    PARTING WINGS
    HOOKING WINGS
    GRASP OF DEATH
    CALMING THE STORM
    RAINING LANCE
    ENTWINED LANCE
    DESPERATE FALCONS
    BROKEN ROD

    I would probably add a series of practical weapons such as yawara/kubaton, short stick, cane, belt, and knife.

    Anyone else have any ideas.
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    Is it just me, or does thundering hammers remind you of fights on Jerry Springer?



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    Default Re: Re-Inventing the Wheel

    Quote Originally Posted by WristTwist
    Is it just me, or does thundering hammers remind you of fights on Jerry Springer?

    Hahaha, I have seen a fight like that between two guys in high school. I was cracking up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Broad
    If I was to try this experiment I would use.

    All the sets, All of the Long Forms because the hold many subtle keys to learning how to move properly.

    I use the following techniques
    THUNDERING HAMMERS
    FIVE SWORDS
    LONE KIMONO
    SHIELDING HAMMER
    REPEATING MACE
    LOCKED WING
    INTELLECTUAL DEPARTURE
    THRUSTING SALUTE
    PARTING WINGS
    HOOKING WINGS
    GRASP OF DEATH
    CALMING THE STORM
    RAINING LANCE
    ENTWINED LANCE
    DESPERATE FALCONS
    BROKEN ROD

    I would probably add a series of practical weapons such as yawara/kubaton, short stick, cane, belt, and knife.

    Anyone else have any ideas.
    Not a bad list.
    I'd do the same but include that big freakin Klingon knife that Warf uses!!


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    Default Re: Re-Inventing the Wheel

    I think the batleth would be a little hard to conceal, but I guess walking done the street with a Blathleth would disuade the most ardent attacker.


    Anyone else have a list of what they would use if they tried to re-invent the system.
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    This thread didn't get much response when I first posted it, maybe it will get some more now.
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    It has been a while since this topic was in the forefront, lets see what our members have to say now.
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    It's an interesting concept. I guess you could argue that this is what the IKCA did. They have a new technique for each belt so there is only 55 not counting the extensions and recombining techs.

    But, if you had to limit it to 16 or so techniques, you would want to find the 16 most common street attacks and build from there. Would you really need to teach prefixes and suffixes as set techniques though or show a student how to do so? also, I think important to show that might not be addressed is taking out the first defensive manuever on punch techniques and showing how to close the gap and turning them into attack techniques when you know and assault is imminent and you need to preempt their attack to be safe (along with legal work on when/where/why you do that).
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    Which techniques you DO teach is an important consideration, but above all, ingraining the fundamentals and refining a Kenpoists ability to improvise with them is KEY. Then the prefixing / suffixing / inserting will come naturally. Then through formulation you can still address each probable 'what if'.

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    Default Re: Re-Inventing the Wheel

    The original question only requires one tech applying the Equation Formula's conceptial usage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Broad View Post
    If you were to re-invent the kenpo system with only 10 - 16 of the existing techniques, and then use the equation one aspect of the equation formula at each belt to build the system i.e yellow belt - base technique, orange belt - prefix, purple belt - suffix etc....

    What techniques would you use?
    What forms if any would you use?
    What sets if any would you use?
    Would you add anything else? If so what?
    yellow belt techs the base? How interesting.

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    Well I have to say how are you going to teach the forms if you do not teach the techniques included in the forms...
    so you have alot more techniques then ten right off the bat, and then I think to many people teaching kenpo forms already are not teaching the techniques anyways so whats the difference... I say people should do whatever they want, but when they change it so much that it doesnt actually resemble Kenpo anymore they should rename it something else...

    Alpo maybe..... Assfu has a nice ring... Peenpo maybe.... I dont know.
    I just get tired of seeing so many people practicing 154 techniques as incorrectly, inefficiently, and ineffectively as possible.. it might not be a bad idea to require them to actually get ten down correctly before they do anything else.... /shrug

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    6 - Deflecting Hammer
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    8 - Striking Serpant's Head
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    12 - Mace of Aggression
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    Quote Originally Posted by LuckyKBoxer View Post
    I just get tired of seeing so many people practicing 154 techniques as incorrectly, inefficiently, and ineffectively as possible.. it might not be a bad idea to require them to actually get ten down correctly before they do anything else.... /shrug
    There you go making sense again!

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