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    Hey all,

    I am studying various aspects of the Universal pattern for my black belt thesis. I had previously posted some Q&A's in the Kenpo seniors corner on MT and was curious what kenpotalk might have to offer. Some of my questions are how Mr. Parker began to draw this, what were his influences? Is it similar to religeous symbolism etc. I think its interesting you can see hidden things like a heart, and even four concentric circles possibly representing the four gates. I have Secrets of chinese karate and have seen the written explanation in the infinate insight series but I am looking for more of a historical view, not practical application. For that I'll leave up to my epak studies and experimentation. I appreciate all who promote the truth

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    Three brains to tap here at KenpoTalk regarding Historical issues and the development of Kenpo:
    Mr. Ron Chapel
    Mr. S. LaBounty
    Mr. Conatser

    helpful gents who've been around the block several times over!
    Careful though, answers might cost you a steak dinner....

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    I am quite certain Caey would gladly pay the price of a steak dinner if he ever got to meet any of these seniors face to face.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Broad
    I am quite certain Caey would gladly pay the price of a steak dinner if he ever got to meet any of these seniors face to face.
    Very gladly. Steak and Beers, A couple Labatt Blue's, Canadian equivalent to American moonshine. I would love to meet all of these greats. I have only been able to converse with Doc because he frequents here which is great. I would love to know more from Mr. S. LaBounty
    and Mr. Conatser. I watched an excellent clip from The Homecoming which Mr Broad lent me with threat of making me a percussion instrument if I lost it
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    Hahahaha.........
    Be very careful then! I bed I know what he'd use for the brass symbols!!!!!





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    Is there any higher belts out there that can help me with this information of point me in the right direction
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    if you start with the octagon, it's a pretty common shape that pops up in martial arts. it's the basis of movement in a lot of arts. sometimes it does have a deeper philosophical meaning depending on who you talk to.

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    The Infinite Insoghts Series has a ton of stuff on the Universal Symbol.
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    The infinite insight series is great. i want more of a first hands view if I can. Like what were the thoughts going into the pattern, references to other styles, what symbols were viewed as precursors, etc. I think these are things I am only going to get from personally meeting with some seniors
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    hi casey
    if you want to do something on the symbology of the universal pattern you might try looking to the source. by that i mean japanese kamon, which are family symbols. the universal pattern represents the family of epak and its sub-systems. you could look into why and how families came up with them and what they represented, and then expand on those ideas to what is contained within the universal pattern.
    just an idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackcatbonz
    hi casey
    if you want to do something on the symbology of the universal pattern you might try looking to the source. by that i mean japanese kamon, which are family symbols. the universal pattern represents the family of epak and its sub-systems. you could look into why and how families came up with them and what they represented, and then expand on those ideas to what is contained within the universal pattern.
    just an idea.
    Thank you very much, I do not know much about that so i will definatly have to delve in further
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    Since this topic was released I know we have had many more people join so we might be able to get some more insight.
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    sey how is the thesis coming along.
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    Constant evolution, just like the circle it is. I have been swamped with University finals and haven't been applying myself as much to kenpo as I should. But the summer season is coming and I will be back in full swing
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    Sorry I can't give you much insight on this project. I will, however, wish you luck.
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    Maybe you can use this, I got it off of Mr. Bilings website




    1. The Eight Angles - A multiplication sign laid over an addition sign could be used to show the eight major directions that someone could attack or defend from.
    2. The Triangle - is a useful tool when learning what path to follow for parries, laid horizontal with your shoulders acting as the base. For covering, again laid horizontal with your rear foot at the peak front foot would follow the base line.
    3. The Diamond -could be used to show a geometric path. An example would be the inward block used in Alternating Maces traveling on a downward diagonal path.
    4. The Circle - (or circular motion) could be found by following the line the foot travels on in a roundhouse kick, or the footwork in Brushing the Storm.
    5. The Oval - (an elongated circle) could be found in Snapping Twig or Locked Wing.
    6. The Figure Eight - could be seen as following a geometric line as in Dance of Death where the right hand is making a figure eight with the back knuckle strike to the left knee followed by the hand sword to the groin. It could also be seen as following a path of action in Snaking Talon as the whole forearm uses the figure eight with the inward and outward hand swords.
    7. The Overlapping Circles - can be found in Circling Fans.
    8. The Heart - can be found in Blinding Sacrifice, Fatal Cross, and Locking Horns.
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