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    Hi all finally got my finances in order,and will be able to finally in jan. will start kenpo. I am torn there is an excellent tracy and 2 Epak studios here in Tucson, AZ. . My question is , i respect all 3 studios and the black belts seem to be good teachers. I am leaning towrds epak as i like the science the system seems to use. Motion strikes etc. Any help as to what I should look for in teacher would be helpful. The biggest things i am looking for are sparring variety of techniques,and a teacher who can work with me ,as i have slow learning curve, so any help or suggestions would be most appreciated.
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    Unfortunately sir, you will have to find the right studio or set of instructors that are best suited for you. Whether or not they are epak guys or tracy's guys.

    I for 1, found a great epak studio. You may find, 1 of the Tracy's guy's fit you the best. Remember, you are the customer and are looking out for your best of interest. Good luck to you.

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    Jason has a good point. You need to go and spend a week watching each studio. I suggest watch as many classes at each school as possible. Look at the content of the training and notice the instructors personal style. Find out who the instructors are and who teaches on what days. Consider how many times you're allowed to attend a class and how many adults you have to work with. Not all schools allow for unlimited training.

    Most schools ask you sign a contract and the introductory periods are short. If the school has contracts and you are not sure - don't sign. Give it some time the school will still be there. Check out another school while you're making a decision. Last thing - A competent and knowledgeable instructor is very important. Paper and opinion shouldn't get in the way of good observation. Take care and hope this helps.

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    Try them all on and go with the one that fits best.
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    Is one of those schools connected to Gilbert Velez in anyway? If so, that would be my choice!
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    Besides the other good advice, find out the teaching method of each school.

    What group classes are offered?
    Do the group classes offered work with your wishes (sparring...)
    Are youngsters allowed in group class?
    Will the majority of learning new material be done in group classes or private instruction? (this can make a difference, as you say you have a slow learning curve)
    Costs of each school?
    Long term contracts, are they required?

    I wouldn't get too caught up in the "motion" or "Scientific" terms - both systems deal with how the body reacts to external inputs and what if scenarios. (what's the difference between a down coat and an alpine down coat?)
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    Lots of good suggestions on this thread. Personally, I'd tend to check out the qualities of the senior students at the schools. Ask yourself if these people are the type of person you'd like to become.
    While some instructors may be gifted individuals, some really talented people just can't teach well. If that's the case, it will show in their students.
    Good luck with your training, and tell us how it goes!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Randy Strausbaugh View Post
    Lots of good suggestions on this thread. Personally, I'd tend to check out the qualities of the senior students at the schools. Ask yourself if these people are the type of person you'd like to become.
    While some instructors may be gifted individuals, some really talented people just can't teach well. If that's the case, it will show in their students.
    Good luck with your training, and tell us how it goes!
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    Quote Originally Posted by will chan View Post
    My question is , i respect all 3 studios and the black belts seem to be good teachers. I am leaning towrds epak as i like the science the system seems to use. Motion strikes etc.

    Any help as to what I should look for in teacher would be helpful.

    The biggest things i am looking for are sparring variety of techniques,and a teacher who can work with me ,as i have slow learning curve.
    thanks willchan
    Well, like others have stated....... match your desires with that of the studio that you choose. If you are after sparring.... then go watch all 3 and see which one floats your boat best. It's your money and time. So get what you want. Many advertise all sorts of wild claims.... but seeing is believing. Get what you are after... don't sign any long term agreements and start up. Do your due dilagance first.

    The instructors accomplishments and rank have little to do with what he/she can do for YOU... make sure YOU are the center.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGoldenOne View Post
    The instructors accomplishments and rank have little to do with what he/she can do for YOU... make sure YOU are the center.
    That pretty much says it all.
    Be careful what you say, some may take it the wrong way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jdinca View Post
    That pretty much says it all.
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    Lots of good advice in these posts. If you get a chance to observe the classes, look at how the teachers interact with the students and the quality of the students. I also looked for instruction that taught the "why" rather than "do what I do". But like everyone else has already said. Choose what you feel suits you best. Good luck.
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    I say, pick the school with the best-looking patch.

    That's the most neutral and informative way to pick a good school.

    OR, put all the school on pieces of paper in a hat and pick on at random.

    (I wanted to suggest something that nobody else had said.)


    How close are you to thegoldenone?

    Which schools are you choosing between? You can name them because it's not like you're saying anything negative. Just listing the options. I suppose if we had some personal ideas, we can PM you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldslowguy View Post
    Observe the classes, look at how the teachers interact with the students and the quality of the students. I also looked for instruction that taught the "why" rather than "do what I do". But like everyone else has already said. Choose what you feel suits you best.
    Yes, thats always a good thing. I actually let a new "suspect/prospect" come into a class for free to "feel" the class and synergy of the group. It has always been my best sale. They get an opportunity to participate in "the class" with no pressure to perform or sign up. They observe first hand the students and hopefully have fun. 9 times out of 10 they sign up after they "see" what they will get. Even if it's only a couple of classes it usually is enough to allow them to make a educated choice.

    To answer Amy...... I am about 2 hours North of him. Quite a drive. He is in Tucson I'm in North Phoenix or Scottsdale.

    * Why is there always time to do it over, when there is never time to do it right?
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    * All I ask for is ... Measurable Progress in Reasonable Time .....
    * Time will either Promote you or Expose You!
    * There are two ways of spreading the light.... 1]. to be the candle or 2]. the mirror that reflects it!
    * It's not what you take with you when you go....... but rather what you leave behind!


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