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    Where a linear line ends a circular line begins.


    So many time we here the phrase where a linear line ends a circular line begins. This helps us in rounding off corners, transitioning across the floor using the Universal pattern as a reference for our travel, and contouring or tracing a persons body as we manipulate their position with our strikes.

    I would like you to think about a different aspect to the concept. While the above statement may be true, I feel it also translates to both the upper body (Upper Platform) and the lower body (Lower Platform) simultaneously and yet independently. While we travel on a straight path across the floor with a front step thru( Lower Platform) and settle into a netural bow, the (Upper Platform) moves on a circular path.

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    Default Re: Where a linear line ends a circular line begins.

    Quote Originally Posted by MARSHALLS KENPO View Post
    Where a linear line ends a circular line begins.
    So many time we here the phrase where a linear line ends a circular line begins. ?
    GREAT topic Mr. Marshall!! I can't wait to see the discussion unfold.

    I have a minor thing for you to consider however. I'm pretty sure that the quote is "where a Line ends a circle begins and where a circle ends a line begins." I'm no geometry expert, but I don't think there is a circular 'line'. Maybe a circular path???

    just a thought

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    Default Re: Where a linear line ends a circular line begins.

    Quote Originally Posted by Brother John View Post
    GREAT topic Mr. Marshall!! I can't wait to see the discussion unfold.

    I have a minor thing for you to consider however. I'm pretty sure that the quote is "where a Line ends a circle begins and where a circle ends a line begins." I'm no geometry expert, but I don't think there is a circular 'line'. Maybe a circular path???

    just a thought

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    Your are correct about the circular path, the same holds true with a straight line. If you take a ( quote: straight line thats drawn on paper,and bend it) it becomes circular. One can also fold it. With sperichal geometry, and surface geometry, one can do all sorts of things.
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    Default Re: Where a linear line ends a circular line begins.

    The circle must be bigger to perform the job of a smaller line.

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    Default Re: Where a linear line ends a circular line begins.

    Quote Originally Posted by KenpoChanger View Post
    The circle must be bigger to perform the job of a smaller line.
    How do you mean??
    Could you please elaborate?
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    Default Re: Where a linear line ends a circular line begins.

    Quote Originally Posted by Brother John View Post
    How do you mean??
    Could you please elaborate?
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    Its because a straight line cuts through the circle
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    Default Re: Where a linear line ends a circular line begins.

    Quote Originally Posted by MARSHALLS KENPO View Post
    Its because a straight line cuts through the circle
    I think my brain is stuck in slow right now.
    I thought that KenpoChanger was comparing the value/use of two paths and how much they can accomplish...saying that the circle has to be larger to accomplish the same 'job' as the smaller line.

    I'm picturing a man striking a punching bag two times, once a linear thrusting punch and the other an inward hook punch. If I understand KenpoChanger correctly (doubtful) then the inward hook punch will need to follow a much larger arc if it is to accomplish the same effect as the shorter/linear thrust punch.
    Is that correct KenpoChanger?

    Mr. Marshal-
    If I'm not mistaken, the fact that a line intercepts a circle and a circle interupts a line has to do with both footwork - offensive & defensive, as well as blocking/deflecting....correct?

    like I said, it may very well be that I simply need more caffiene.

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    Default Re: Where a linear line ends a circular line begins.

    There is a corolation between the analogies.

    As SGM Parker addressed in an interview once that some systems/styles only focused on the linear while others focused on the circular whereas Kenpo utilized aspects of both for maxium effect, it is also true that some differentiate between, and even separtate, upper and lower body movements.

    But just as we utilize linear and circular movement, we must have our upper and lower body working in tandem to achieve the best results for our efforts. Our "lower" body may propel us forward along a straight path as our "upper" body rotates to generate torque adding to the power of a punch for instance, but it's the combination of the two that renders a greater force than if they were executed separately.

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    Default Re: Where a linear line ends a circular line begins.

    Quote Originally Posted by Celtic_Crippler View Post
    There is a corolation between the analogies.

    As SGM Parker addressed in an interview once that some systems/styles only focused on the linear while others focused on the circular whereas Kenpo utilized aspects of both for maxium effect, it is also true that some differentiate between, and even separtate, upper and lower body movements.

    But just as we utilize linear and circular movement, we must have our upper and lower body working in tandem to achieve the best results for our efforts. Our "lower" body may propel us forward along a straight path as our "upper" body rotates to generate torque adding to the power of a punch for instance, but it's the combination of the two that renders a greater force than if they were executed separately.

    "It's a poor set of feet that let's a body get beat." Chuck Sullivan
    WOW!

    Excellent reply man!!!
    seriously

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    Default Re: Where a linear line ends a circular line begins.

    Quote Originally Posted by Brother John View Post
    I think my brain is stuck in slow right now.
    I thought that KenpoChanger was comparing the value/use of two paths and how much they can accomplish...saying that the circle has to be larger to accomplish the same 'job' as the smaller line.

    I'm picturing a man striking a punching bag two times, once a linear thrusting punch and the other an inward hook punch. If I understand KenpoChanger correctly (doubtful) then the inward hook punch will need to follow a much larger arc if it is to accomplish the same effect as the shorter/linear thrust punch.
    Is that correct KenpoChanger?

    Mr. Marshal-
    If I'm not mistaken, the fact that a line intercepts a circle and a circle interupts a line has to do with both footwork - offensive & defensive, as well as blocking/deflecting....correct?

    like I said, it may very well be that I simply need more caffiene.

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    Were it not for timing issues the circle is always the easiest and most powerfull tool to use. And yes you are right!
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    Default Re: Where a linear line ends a circular line begins.

    Quote Originally Posted by MARSHALLS KENPO View Post
    Where a linear line ends a circular line begins.


    So many time we here the phrase where a linear line ends a circular line begins. This helps us in rounding off corners, transitioning across the floor using the Universal pattern as a reference for our travel, and contouring or tracing a persons body as we manipulate their position with our strikes.

    I would like you to think about a different aspect to the concept. While the above statement may be true, I feel it also translates to both the upper body (Upper Platform) and the lower body (Lower Platform) simultaneously and yet independently. While we travel on a straight path across the floor with a front step thru( Lower Platform) and settle into a netural bow, the (Upper Platform) moves on a circular path.

    Thoughts ?
    Yes,

    Without the statement being applied to a context it is way too vague to define.

    When Ed explained that to me and my students he did it with techniques.

    Dr. John M. La Tourrette

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    Quote Originally Posted by John M. La Tourrette View Post
    Yes,

    Without the statement being applied to a context it is way too vague to define.

    When Ed explained that to me and my students he did it with techniques.

    Dr. John M. La Tourrette
    True...
    that's one of the inherent shortcomings of talking/typing about Kenpo.
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    Default Re: Where a linear line ends a circular line begins.

    Quote Originally Posted by KenpoChanger View Post
    Were it not for timing issues the circle is always the easiest and most powerfull tool to use. And yes you are right!
    Sean
    Thanks for the confirmation! I'll point out to my wife that it did happen once this year, I Was right.

    I respectfully disagree though, if you know your mechanics well.... it doesn't take a larger circle to generate a tremendous amount of acceleration and Force.

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    Default Re: Where a linear line ends a circular line begins.

    Quote Originally Posted by Brother John View Post
    Thanks for the confirmation! I'll point out to my wife that it did happen once this year, I Was right.

    I respectfully disagree though, if you know your mechanics well.... it doesn't take a larger circle to generate a tremendous amount of acceleration and Force.

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    however smaller circles cover less area; so, force aside, you need to encompass the target within the circle. That's where and why size matters.
    Sean

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    Default Re: Where a linear line ends a circular line begins.

    Quote Originally Posted by Brother John View Post
    Thanks for the confirmation! I'll point out to my wife that it did happen once this year, I Was right.

    I respectfully disagree though, if you know your mechanics well.... it doesn't take a larger circle to generate a tremendous amount of acceleration and Force.

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    There's a lot of "power principles." Circles are good for building MOMENTUM.
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