View Poll Results: WHat do you think of 5.0 kenpo

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  • Yes, 5.0 kenpo works for me

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    Default Amatsu Tatara

    Hello:
    What is the general attitude about Kenpo 5.0
    As I come down from the mountain I am amazed by what has happened to kenpo since the death of Ed Parker. So I'm sending out feelers for general impressions. Not so much should there be changes or not but have you worked the 5.0 techniques and do they work for you and your dojo.

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    Default Re: Amatsu Tatara

    The 5.0 material is so new that most of the kenpo world hasn't seen it, so I suspect you will get very few responses.

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    Default Re: Amatsu Tatara

    Quote Originally Posted by Blindside View Post
    The 5.0 material is so new that most of the kenpo world hasn't seen it, so I suspect you will get very few responses.

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    This is true. It will be a while before the theroy and application can be proven. Im sure it will have some valid concepts.
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    My feeling is that there are some really good moves, but a ton of ground-fighting that doesn't feel to me so much like kenpo.

    I like learning what do when I'm on the ground, so that's good.

    I'm not into the 'jumping guard' thing. Too easy to get hurt.

    I don't know the whole system yet, so that's about all I can say.

    I did go to camp this last weekend and got very hurt when someone unexpectedly swept me (not part of the technique) and dropped me on my hip. I'm still hobbling. So the jumping guard really doesn't work for me. (that's not what happened, but the idea is unappealling.)

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    I noticed that "jumping into the guard" on the tech line video. I thought it was just how that guy did it. Is it really written into the techniques?
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    Quote Originally Posted by amylong View Post
    My feeling is that there are some really good moves, but a ton of ground-fighting that doesn't feel to me so much like kenpo.

    I like learning what do when I'm on the ground, so that's good.

    I'm not into the 'jumping guard' thing. Too easy to get hurt.

    I don't know the whole system yet, so that's about all I can say.

    I did go to camp this last weekend and got very hurt when someone unexpectedly swept me (not part of the technique) and dropped me on my hip. I'm still hobbling. So the jumping guard really doesn't work for me. (that's not what happened, but the idea is unappealling.)

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    I've been training in Japanese jujitsu and "jumping into the guard" seems to be a favorite amongst many jujitsuka. It's especially common in BJJ. My feelings are that, while the guard is not such a bad place to be when you are dealing with just one opponent, it is a terrible place to be if you aren't sure of your surroundings and how many friends this guy in your guard has wading around in the shadows. I'd rather stand up and fight until I knew it was advantageous for me to go to the ground or until I had no other choice (which ever comes first).
    Once on the ground, I'd say "finish it quick" and get back up.

    Just my .02.

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    I can see how jumping into the guard would be beneficial in a ring or on a mat. Doing that on the street could be really bad if you hit your on the way down or ended up being slammed. Then, like you said, if the guy has friends it's a "boot party".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikael151 View Post
    I can see how jumping into the guard would be beneficial in a ring or on a mat. Doing that on the street could be really bad if you hit your on the way down or ended up being slammed. Then, like you said, if the guy has friends it's a "boot party".
    Been on the ass end of the boot party thing; steel-toed combat boots. 2 pair. That stuff HURTS! (not so much at the moment you're getting kicked, but after the adrenaline wears off and the battle fury subsides). Solution required me to get back on my feet. I came out as much on top as one could have hoped to, but was uglier for the wear and tear, and a little off my game for having my brain pan rattled before getting to my feet.

    DON'T JUMP GUARD IN A BRAWL!!!

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    Default Re: Amatsu Tatara

    IMHO, it's simple really.....

    Do your very best to stay off the ground and make that priority #1, but you better damn sure know what to do if you find yourself there.
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