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    Where do you feel the principles of kenpo are best presented for learning? In the self defense techniques or in the forms? Do the forms and self defense techniques teach the same principles in different ways or do they offer entirely different concepts? Where are the basics the most strongly represented? Also which is more important or are they equally important? Or does it depend on the person entirely?
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    I think they both have their uses..not quite sure if Id rate them equal. To me, forms show how the techniques can flow together...also I think it shows that you don't have to stop at one technique. If one didn't work, maybe this next one will.

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    IMHO, the forms show the motion in the Ideal phase...the way it's supposed to work. The techniques show application and allow you to experiment with the motion. Obviously, there is more to both forms and techniques than what I mentioned. I just think that's about the most basic way of looking at what's going on.
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    Forms provide answers to street combat but also leave room for interpretations of attack situations (e.g. take Long Form 2 for example). They are great for building one's endurance, especially Long Forms 3 and up.

    The kenpo sets are awesome at isolating specific aspects of one's basics, and therefore offer a different method of learning basics. Together, the forms and sets teach students about correct posture, balance, stances, agility, fluidity, rooting, and so on.

    The dictionary forms (the first two short and long forms) demonstrate rules and principles of motion and are the kenpo power principle forms. They are not meant to demonstrate an imaginary fight situation.

    Self-defense techniques, when practiced on a partner, teach us about reaction timing, control, distance, targeting , as well as the aspects above (stances, agility, ect.).


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    As a student I find all three of them (forms, sets & techniques) very useful for the reasons folks have already stated. As to which one best teaches the principles of motion; honestly, I don't know. It seems to me that they all teach/illustrate the principles.

    Although some may disagree, it actually did help me to learn the "1 & 2" forms by picturing a possible attacker & attack; I need a context in order to understand what I'm doing. Maybe that's why I'm slightly partial to the SD techniques, because they give a context & have "what ifs" as well.
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    I think Seabrook put it very well.

    In addition, we use "colored sets" to demonstrate proficiency in the lower belt rank material when a student is a green belt going for brown. We do the same with kata 12, which is our kata 1-6 on the left and right side.

    Personally, I think a mix of techniques, forms and sets provide a great way to use multiple methods of learning. Each has a part to play in developing the student.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dubljay
    Where do you feel the principles of kenpo are best presented for learning? In the self defense techniques or in the forms? Do the forms and self defense techniques teach the same principles in different ways or do they offer entirely different concepts? Where are the basics the most strongly represented? Also which is more important or are they equally important? Or does it depend on the person entirely?
    I believe most of them are in both the techniques and forms up until long form two. But all of the set are included. I believe the basics are most stringly represented in the techniques until blue belt. I do believe techniques are more improtant because you are not going to bust out long oneon somebody on the street. That is just my opinion but I guess it depends on the person. Some people think forms are more important.
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    There is no substitue for actual combat so we use different tools to build skills that will increase our chances of surviving an encounter. Forms, techniques, drills, sparring...they all have their purpose and use.

    Actually performing Parker Long 2 will not in itself save your life and no technique will go by the book on the street either, but the principles taught and learned through the use of these tools and methods is what will save your hide in the end.

    "Knowledge is not enough, you must apply"-Bruce Lee. These 'tools' help you to learn how to "apply."
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