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    Exclamation The Metaphysical Stage

    The last stage of martial arts development is said to be the metaphysical stage. When telepathy, precognition and other superhuman skills are availble at the beckoning of the developed practitioner. The subject is particularlly well outlined by Grandmaster La Tourrette in his DVD series on SPEED HITTING. The speed at which he travels through space is astonishing and so accurate that more than 10 hits can all take place within a second on specific nerve cavity targets. These techniques appear physically impossible, yet people like La Tourrette appear to make it look normal. This is the ultimate human experience in my oppinion, the knowledge of how to perform the highest activities of physiology with ease whenever necessary. That's what I call inspiration.
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    OK.......


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    Quote Originally Posted by Blindside View Post
    Yeah, I am the astro-creep,
    A demolition style hell american freak - yeah
    I am the crawling dead,
    A phantom in a box, shadow in your head - say
    Acid suicide - freedom of the blast,
    Read the f____ lies - yeah
    Scratch off the broken skin,
    Tear into my heart,
    Make me do it again

    Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah-
    More human than human
    More human than human
    More human than human
    More human than human
    More human than human
    More human than human

    Yeah, I am the jigsaw man
    I turn the world around with a skeleton hand - say
    I am electric head,
    A cannibal core,
    A television said - yeah
    Do not victimize,
    Read the motherf_____-psychoholic lies - yeah
    Into a psychic war,
    I tear my soul apart and I eat it some more

    Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah-
    More human than human
    More human than human
    More human than human
    More human than human
    More human than human
    More human than human

    Yeah, I am the ripper man,
    A locomotion mind,
    Love american style -yeah
    I am the nexus one,
    I want more life,
    F____I aint done - yeah

    More human than human
    More human than human
    More human than human
    More human than human
    More human than human
    More human than human
    More human than human
    More human than human[/b][/color]

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    Quote Originally Posted by AstralProtector View Post
    The last stage of martial arts development is said to be the metaphysical stage. When telepathy, precognition and other superhuman skills are availble at the beckoning of the developed practitioner. The subject is particularlly well outlined by Grandmaster La Tourrette in his DVD series on SPEED HITTING. The speed at which he travels through space is astonishing and so accurate that more than 10 hits can all take place within a second on specific nerve cavity targets. These techniques appear physically impossible, yet people like La Tourrette appear to make it look normal. This is the ultimate human experience in my oppinion, the knowledge of how to perform the highest activities of physiology with ease whenever necessary. That's what I call inspiration.
    Interesting.
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    Mmmmkay? Dunno how to respond to that. Although the Rob Zombie lyrics were a nice touch.
    All difficult things have their origin in that which is easy, and great things in that which is small. - Lao Tzu


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    Default Re: The Metaphysical Stage

    I feel I’m approaching that “last stage of martial arts development” because I can tell when some goof ball is full of “bull chi”.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Blindside View Post
    Yeah, I am the astro-creep,
    A demolition style hell american freak - yeah
    I am the crawling dead,
    A phantom in a box, shadow in your head - say
    Acid suicide - freedom of the blast,
    Read the f____ lies - yeah
    Scratch off the broken skin,
    Tear into my heart,
    Make me do it again

    Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah-
    More human than human
    More human than human
    More human than human
    More human than human
    More human than human
    More human than human

    Yeah, I am the jigsaw man
    I turn the world around with a skeleton hand - say
    I am electric head,
    A cannibal core,
    A television said - yeah
    Do not victimize,
    Read the motherf_____-psychoholic lies - yeah
    Into a psychic war,
    I tear my soul apart and I eat it some more

    Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah-
    More human than human
    More human than human
    More human than human
    More human than human
    More human than human
    More human than human

    Yeah, I am the ripper man,
    A locomotion mind,
    Love american style -yeah
    I am the nexus one,
    I want more life,
    F____I aint done - yeah

    More human than human
    More human than human
    More human than human
    More human than human
    More human than human
    More human than human
    More human than human
    More human than human[/b][/color]
    I always sing it as more Ninja than Human. But seriously there is nothing metaphysical about this stuff.
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    I'm very into many things metaphysical.

    There are certain aspects of the martial arts that have metaphysical components to them.

    I don't know that speed is one of them.

    Grounding is one. Martial artists tend to ground from the third chakra -- the power center. It's where chi energy comes from.

    I suppose awareness is metaphysical on some levels. 7th chakra knowingness can come into play.

    Being able to read your opponent, staying grounded and focused and the ability to direct the energy of your strikes through your target are all metaphysical things.

    I don't know where that fits into things and I really don't know about those song lyrics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amylong View Post
    I'm very into many things metaphysical.

    There are certain aspects of the martial arts that have metaphysical components to them.

    I don't know that speed is one of them.

    Grounding is one. Martial artists tend to ground from the third chakra -- the power center. It's where chi energy comes from.

    I suppose awareness is metaphysical on some levels. 7th chakra knowingness can come into play.

    Being able to read your opponent, staying grounded and focused and the ability to direct the energy of your strikes through your target are all metaphysical things.

    I don't know where that fits into things and I really don't know about those song lyrics.

    --Amy
    Are there machines that can detect metaphysical strikes and differentiate them from the non-metaphysical ones?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KenpoChanger View Post
    Are there machines that can detect metaphysical strikes and differentiate them from the non-metaphysical ones?
    Sean
    Yes, but you have to reach a certain level of spiritual attainment before you will be invited into that secret knowledge.

    And since you haven't gotten the invitation.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by amylong View Post
    Yes, but you have to reach a certain level of spiritual attainment before you will be invited into that secret knowledge.

    And since you haven't gotten the invitation.....

    --Amy
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    Default Re: The Metaphysical Stage

    Greetings.

    High level feats of skill and perfected execution of strategies for combat appications may be described by metaphysical concepts.

    Yet, many of the manifestations are physical. Some are just not understood fully physically, so we rely on the metaphysical concepts that explain them to communicate these ideas.

    Do the skills explained in metaphysical terms work? Well, yes.

    With better understanding and more specific and "sceintific" methodologies and terminologies, could we make these training methods and skills better? Yes.

    Or we could make it more complicated to learn unnecesarily...

    The teachings using these "metaphysical" terms do have combat applications, and verifyably so. Real easy to demonstrate and learn.

    Amy, the center of gravity, or Tan Tien, which correlates to the 2nd chakra can be controlled for "grounding". The 3rd is more emotional control and unconcious process link to other people. (Read Leadbeater and Bessant "Chakras"). Since grounding has several meanings, you can also do so with the Root chakra.

    This, coupled with anatomical structure analysis, can yield more optimal methods to improve martial applications. There are many tangents to this topic, so I'll write more if asked on more specific applications.

    These are not superhuman abilities.

    They are human abilities that can be deveoped and cultivated to high degrees... skills that can be available to those that put in the effort and time on workable, preferably verifyable, methods and technologies.


    Enjoy!

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    P.S. I like the song!

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    Quote Originally Posted by KenpoChanger View Post
    Sigh... the syncronization of mind, body and breath can achieve exponential results, but the hoodoo it ain't.
    nuff said
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    You do know I was kidding, right?

    And the phrase is 'body, mind and spirit' -- not breath.

    And you're right, there's no hoodoo involved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by profesormental View Post
    Amy, the center of gravity, or Tan Tien, which correlates to the 2nd chakra can be controlled for "grounding". The 3rd is more emotional control and unconcious process link to other people. (Read Leadbeater and Bessant "Chakras"). Since grounding has several meanings, you can also do so with the Root chakra.
    Hi Juan.

    You can ground any and all of your chakras at any time. The second is the sexual/feeling chakra. The 'gut feeling'. Two fingers below your belly button.

    The third is at your solar plexis and I don't know that it has anything to do with other people.

    The root chakra, at the base of the spine, is the first choice, since it controls your fight or flight and will align all the rest of the chakras.

    That the 'seat of your pants' chakra.

    Perhaps we're numbering them differently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amylong View Post
    You do know I was kidding, right?

    And the phrase is 'body, mind and spirit' -- not breath.

    And you're right, there's no hoodoo involved.
    We use the term "mind, body, spirit". Which is TOTALLY different than how you say it!! OMG!!! But I happen to agree, ain't no hoodoo in these here parts.
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    Saying that a martial arts practitioner can cultivate esoteric abilities via high-level martial arts practice is like saying a student of yoga will automatically be able to fight like a martial arts master after many years of meditation and energy work. They're two completely unrelated things.

    The only thing I've ever seen that might be even remotely metaphysical is sakkijutsu (sensing incoming attacks without seeing them), and even that can be explained by sensitivity to sound, vibrations on the ground, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kihon View Post
    Saying that a martial arts practitioner can cultivate esoteric abilities via high-level martial arts practice is like saying a student of yoga will automatically be able to fight like a martial arts master after many years of meditation and energy work. They're two completely unrelated things.
    I don't agree. You can gain spiritual knowledge and abilities doing almost anything because we are spiritual beings. I can gain spiritual knowlege doing martial arts, but that doesn't mean that the other ways I gain spiritual knowledge will TEACH me martial arts.

    Anything can be a spiritual lesson, Grasshopper. lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by amylong View Post
    You can gain spiritual knowledge and abilities doing almost anything because we are spiritual beings. I can gain spiritual knowlege doing martial arts, but that doesn't mean that the other ways I gain spiritual knowledge will TEACH me martial arts.
    Amy, I agree.

    I've been working with the book Dr. La Tourette suggested- Energy medicine, by Donna Eden- and I think there is something there with the metaphysical practices. Can't say I've had much success with any of it, but I can definately relate to some of it, and can intuitively see some of the possible martial applications. Some of it sounds a little off the wall, but I've learned not to judge too quick with things I don't understand. I'll give it time, and an honest trial. I find I learn more that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amylong View Post
    I don't agree. You can gain spiritual knowledge and abilities doing almost anything because we are spiritual beings. I can gain spiritual knowlege doing martial arts, but that doesn't mean that the other ways I gain spiritual knowledge will TEACH me martial arts.

    Anything can be a spiritual lesson, Grasshopper. lol.
    There is no can be about it. Everything is a spiritual lesson. Understanding the spiritual as it related to the other four aspects of your being is the tricky part.
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