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    I got into a discussion about covering out with one of the seniors and my school and a new student who brought it up. This kinda brought up some questions in my mind and I was curious so I decided to ask all of you. What I'm wonder is what are the different ways you were taught to cover out and what are the benefits of them? I don't wanna start a bias or anything so I'm saving my thoughts for later. I look forward to reading all of your responses
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    I got into a discussion about covering out with one of the seniors and my school and a new student who brought it up. This kinda brought up some questions in my mind and I was curious so I decided to ask all of you.

    What I'm wonder is what are the different ways you were taught to cover out and what are the benefits of them? I don't wanna start a bias or anything so I'm saving my thoughts for later. I look forward to reading all of your responses

    I only know of two. Front cross over and reverse step through. Usually in that order.

    What other ones are you referring to?

    The benefits are to create distance and to protect yourself.

    You know, and, it looks good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EndlessRising View Post
    I got into a discussion about covering out with one of the seniors and my school and a new student who brought it up. This kinda brought up some questions in my mind and I was curious so I decided to ask all of you. What I'm wonder is what are the different ways you were taught to cover out and what are the benefits of them? I don't wanna start a bias or anything so I'm saving my thoughts for later. I look forward to reading all of your responses
    There were four ways that I was taught.
    1. To just step through reverse
    2. To do a half of a cover out
    3. The full coverout
    4. The double cover out
    With hands up of course

    For me I prefer either 1 or 3 depending on the situation. I guess it just depends on how far away you want to get from your opponent(s).
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    Some of the concepts in covering out;

    Create distance while monitoring the opponent.

    Keeps you in a continued state of readiness.

    The first crossover closes your center and protects the groin- one reason it is taught first instead of a step through.

    The cross over prepares you to move or react in any direction.

    Multiple covers give you a 360' view of the environment, without loosing track of the opponent.

    Any others?

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    Quote Originally Posted by thedan View Post

    Any others?
    And it looks good. Let's not forget how ferocious and mean we look doing it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amylong View Post
    And it looks good. Let's not forget how ferocious and mean we look doing it.
    I'd probably look more ferocious if I hadn't wet myself when he first attacked...

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    I was taught front cross-over reverse step-through with the following principles:

    1. Get your distance
    2. Cover your centerline
    3. Keep your weapons cocked
    4. Scan 360 degrees

    In that order.
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    I always teach my students to cover out in a direction that moves them farthest away from the attacker.
    Quality outweighs quantity every time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Broad View Post
    I always teach my students to cover out in a direction that moves them farthest away from the attacker.
    I have found that covering INTO an attacker is not a good idea.

    You trip over them. And it doesn't look as cool.

    But, if you cover through them and get a good stomp in there along the way? Well, that's okay then. lol

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    You guys all picked up all the same details as myself. I got caught up in a conversation when someone who thought that covering out was pointless and puts you in a weak position. I obviously argued the opposite and I was curious if there was anything i missed out on i.e. different ways of execution, and any other benefits. Just wanted to strengthen my understanding. And yes Amy it makes you look like a BA . thanks everyone

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    I often find that I can get one last shot in on my opponent as I start to cover out as well. This is usually just a claw or full out slap to help move them in a different direction which can increase our distance.
    Quality outweighs quantity every time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Broad View Post
    I often find that I can get one last shot in on my opponent as I start to cover out as well. This is usually just a claw or full out slap to help move them in a different direction which can increase our distance.
    I do this quite a bit myself. In fact, a lot of times, I'll just give them a good hard shove on their weak-line as I begin my cover out. This usually serves to make them stagger back a couple of steps putting them even farther away.
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    The cover out:

    Front crossover, step out, then step through reverse.

    The front crossover as stated previously:
    1. covers the centerline
    2. creates distance between you and your opponent
    3. sets you up for a back kick
    4. can counterbalance to aid in strikes (back knuckles, handswords, etc)
    5. sets up as a guage step in case of multiple attackers
    6. scans the first 180 to advance to the unknown

    The step out:
    1. creates more distance
    2. gives you the option to step back into the attacker
    3. puts you in a good fighting stance

    The step through:
    1. scans the full 360 degrees

    I'm sure there's more but this is at the top of my head.

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    Hey Jason!

    Your pet subject has finally appeared!

    (He got brownie points from Sean Kelley at camp for this one.)

    sniff. I was so proud.

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    Oh; so you were;; paying attention?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jfarnsworth View Post
    Oh; so you were;; paying attention?
    It would be hard to miss all that prancing around with your information.

    grumble grumble...trying to make us all look bad.....grumble grumble.....show off....grumble grumble......lol




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    Quote Originally Posted by amylong View Post
    It would be hard to miss all that prancing around with your information.
    Ha Ha



    There really isn't that much information.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jfarnsworth View Post
    The cover out:

    Front crossover, step out, then step through reverse.

    The front crossover as stated previously:
    1. covers the centerline
    2. creates distance between you and your opponent
    3. sets you up for a back kick
    4. can counterbalance to aid in strikes (back knuckles, handswords, etc)
    5. sets up as a guage step in case of multiple attackers
    6. scans the first 180 to advance to the unknown

    The step out:
    1. creates more distance
    2. gives you the option to step back into the attacker
    3. puts you in a good fighting stance

    The step through:
    1. scans the full 360 degrees

    I'm sure there's more but this is at the top of my head.
    That reply is in my notes! If you think of more, by all means, post it. Thanks!

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    No problem. Glad you could use some of it.

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    after a technique we've done crossover cover out, stepthrough reverse, and crossover cover out stepthrough reverse.

    personally after techniques sometimes i forget the whole crossover coverout thing.. and just pushdrag reverse on instinct to 4:30, 6, or 7:30.. to me it saves motion.. but im sure theres some major flaw to that or it would be practiced regularly in that manner...

    you could crossover/twist, and unwind and rotate 360.. but that would really suck to get hit by some attacker you may just, or may not have noticed while rotating.. all in an orbit and everything. :-\

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