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    Default Speed with Tracy's kenpo

    I'm fairly new to kenpo, I've been studing Tracy's kenpo for about 8 month's now and loving it.

    The one question i have i will i ever see the speed with tracy's kenpo that I've seen with EPK ?

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    As close as two systems are they two are different animals. The Tracy system does have some speed in the techniques I never saw it match the speed you find in the EPAK techniques.
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    Default Re: Speed with Tracy's kenpo

    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Broad
    As close as two systems are they two are different animals. The Tracy system does have some speed in the techniques I never saw it match the speed you find in the EPAK techniques.
    do you think that the speed in epak is the biproduct of the flow that the system teaches???

    or could the speed come form how you set your self up along with how you set up your opponent with every movement?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gixxershane
    do you think that the speed in epak is the biproduct of the flow that the system teaches???

    or could the speed come form how you set your self up along with how you set up your opponent with every movement?
    The EPAK rounds more corners than the Tracy. They shorten things up more and do a little more point of origin.

    I did Tracy for 2 years and I loved what I was learning, but my instructor added his own flair too. But the EPAK is definitely tighter.

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    Default Re: Speed with Tracy's kenpo

    The equation formula is one of the things I attribute to the speed difference between the 2 systems.
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    You can certainly speed up the techniques from the Tracy's curriculum if you so choose, but it may well lead to the detriment of the technique. I call it the "speed virus". Many American Kenpo practitioners will and have agreed with me on this point. Its not how many times you can hit a guy in a second. Its how many times you can hit a guy effectively in one second.

    Medically, its understood that a large proportion of the human body is water. In police defensive tactics, this fact is seized upon in order to generate what is called a "fluid shock wave strike" (Pressure Point Control Tactics or PPCT). One must allow the strike to transfer energy into the target. By removing the striking arm too soon, complete transfer of energy is mitigated.

    If you know Chinese Sword, and Japanese Sword, then you should understand that concept.

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    Default Re: Speed with Tracy's kenpo

    speed kills....... technique

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    Default Re: Speed with Tracy's kenpo

    Besides, most of the time, one strike, done effectively, is more than enough.

    Since most people are not out to kill you, one palm heel to the nose or jaw could be enough. A single kick to the groin could easily be enough. A chop to the bicep could end the fight, so the important thing with speed is to get the first block and strike in fast.

    I tell my students that the most important aspect of any technique is that you not get hit. As Darryl says, "Make 'em miss then make 'em pay."

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    Default Re: Speed with Tracy's kenpo

    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Hanna
    You can certainly speed up the techniques from the Tracy's curriculum if you so choose, but it may well lead to the detriment of the technique. I call it the "speed virus". Many American Kenpo practitioners will and have agreed with me on this point. Its not how many times you can hit a guy in a second. Its how many times you can hit a guy effectively in one second.

    Medically, its understood that a large proportion of the human body is water. In police defensive tactics, this fact is seized upon in order to generate what is called a "fluid shock wave strike" (Pressure Point Control Tactics or PPCT). One must allow the strike to transfer energy into the target. By removing the striking arm too soon, complete transfer of energy is mitigated.

    If you know Chinese Sword, and Japanese Sword, then you should understand that concept.

    Jim Hanna
    Michaeledward offered an awesome explanation the last time I had the good fortune to train with him. I wanted to practice a particular technique, but was running through it too quickly. He stressed that Kenpo techs require the attacker reacting to the blow, and the reaction sets up the next move. Example, a strike to the groin (sorry fellas...) will bend the bad guy over and align him for the next strike...but to get maximum effectiveness the milliseconds of time have to pass for him to actually bend over.

    Timing is more important than speed.

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    Default Re: Speed with Tracy's kenpo

    Quote Originally Posted by lady_kaur
    Michaeledward offered an awesome explanation the last time I had the good fortune to train with him. I wanted to practice a particular technique, but was running through it too quickly. He stressed that Kenpo techs require the attacker reacting to the blow, and the reaction sets up the next move. Example, a strike to the groin (sorry fellas...) will bend the bad guy over and align him for the next strike...but to get maximum effectiveness the milliseconds of time have to pass for him to actually bend over.

    Timing is more important than speed.
    just wanted to add some emphasis.

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    Default Re: Speed with Tracy's kenpo

    What is interesting to watch is someone, who is used to speeding through techniques with no hip action, stance changes, gravitational influence, or even the occasional slap-check. Then when you enlighten them into those various things, and timing to allow for physical reactions of your attacker, it becomes a thing of beauty.

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    Default Re: Speed with Tracy's kenpo

    A technique done with as much speed as possible it just garbage to me. I think most beginner or intermediate students have a bad habit of trying to do the technique as fast as possible. Like I always tell students "I don't wanna see how fast you can do it, I wanna see how effective you can do it." In order to get any speed out of a technique you need to first learn it slow. pick it apart and find the flow of the technique, learn the proper body mechanics, decipher the timing and then turn up the speed.

    Anyways, back to the topic... I train in an offshoot of Tracy and I do find that EPAK seems to have more continuity to it but its nothing you can't figure out on your own. take your Tracy techniques and find the shortcuts, like rounding corners and continuing motion. Don't just stick to what you're taught. explore your techniques.
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    Default Re: Speed with Tracy's kenpo

    speed comes with Power & Accuracy....

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