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    Who has employed Wally Jay's Small Circle Theory into their techniques. Wally Jay said, "Mastery is not proven by how much pain you can inflict, but how little power you require to subdue an opponent." I have experimented with this and have found great results, anyone else familiar with this theory?
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    i think that we do in our school.. my instructor say large circle = large problems, and to keep our stuff small and tight.. she calls it shrink wraping your movements

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    My first seminar with Wally Jay was around 1987. I was fortunate to attend several of his seminars thereafter because of his link with Remy Presas.

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    Yes, we use his stuff and similar stuff. I was able to attend his seminar as he was putting together the stuff for the finger locking video. Remy Preses was also there. I was lucky enough to be an uke for both of them.
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    Mr. Parker and Wally Jay were friends and came from the same place, and time. It is not surprising that many EPAK schools have some of the Small Circle flavor.

    I personally use a lot of the Wally Jay princples and locks.

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    I have found that both larg and small circles are usefull, debending on what you want to do... Or, you can use them together.

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    A lot of the traditional Japanese stuff uses small circle method as it is faster and the uke has less time to react to the effect. A lot of schools I have been to use large circle theory to start people off with as it is more like the gross motor movement they are used to. Many of these then fail to "tighten the noose" later in the training and you have the result that most if not all of what they were taught will get them hurt...or worse.

    A good example of this is Aikido training. Looking at a newbie, one sees the circles and can identify a lot of the movements. Looking at a master, one sees the attackers action and a slight movement on the part of the defender...followed by screaming and convulsive throwing by the other guy ...Wink... Start big, go small...and never leave them concious.

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    My instructor's always telling us to keep it tight. If someone's having problems with something, he'll do it exagerrated but he never let's us move on til we have where it needs to be in the end.
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    I attended a Wally Jat seminar, volunteered to be an uke, and had my...mind changed. Talk about being owned. Subsequently worked out for a spell with one of his BB's, and apply it heavily in the kenpo I teach. Smallen the circles with any of the control manipulation, and watch the lil' buggers squirm. Lotsa fun (and better them, than me).

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    Gotta love that 2 way action of pushing and pulling at the same time to create a small circle of manipulation.
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    Like Kroh was saying, all of the japanese stuff I've been exposed to uses small circular motion. Small movement - big results.
    It does take constant practice when learning.......some people seem to pick it up quite quickly and toss people around with ease.

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    Hello!

    Like Kroh was saying, all of the japanese stuff I've been exposed to uses small circular motion. Small movement - big results.
    Very true...it's one of the primary principles in arts such as Hakko-ryu Jujutsu and its parent art, Daito-ryu (at the Jujutsu level of training especially). The result is very immediate and very intense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Broad
    Gotta love that 2 way action of pushing and pulling at the same time to create a small circle of manipulation.
    The small circle is not just limited to the push-pull thing, that's the beauty of it.
    With locking, striking, redirecting, or throwing; shrinking the movement shortens the execution time and often increases effectiveness of the outcome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackcatbonz
    The small circle is not just limited to the push-pull thing, that's the beauty of it.
    With locking, striking, redirecting, or throwing; shrinking the movement shortens the execution time and often increases effectiveness of the outcome.
    I agree completely. Experiencing this first hand definitely gets the point across. I remember back in the day sometime during my first month of training in kenpo I was working a wrist lock with one of the brown belts. As I practiced the mechanics of it he showed me that I should keep the circular motion small and instead of big when you roll their wrist back. He demonstrated on me the difference and WOW could I feel it. Not only was it much quicker, it was more painful and it took much less energy and movement to execute, thus overall being more efficient. It was definitely a good eye opener as a beginner.

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    this is a part of my training that i would really like to invest some more time in to better my skills..

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