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    At what point do you start teaching slap checks and what do you tell the students they are good for?

    There was mention in the article that some kenpoists don't know anything about slap checks. I find that all but impossible to believe. Kenpoists are KNOWN for slap checks -- that we slap ourselves more than our opponents.

    But, I don't know all the kenpoists in the world, so maybe.

    I started teaching slap checks to my yellow belts.

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    Default Re: Slap Checks

    Quote Originally Posted by amylong
    At what point do you start teaching slap checks and what do you tell the students they are good for?

    There was mention in the article that some kenpoists don't know anything about slap checks. I find that all but impossible to believe. Kenpoists are KNOWN for slap checks -- that we slap ourselves more than our opponents.

    But, I don't know all the kenpoists in the world, so maybe.

    I started teaching slap checks to my yellow belts.

    --Amy
    So that is what that is called. I leave it up to the student, if they want to do it I let them. I know I use them alot and I tell my students that they are used for timing and control.
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    Default Re: Slap Checks

    White belt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gakusei
    White belt.
    A person of few words. Care to elaborate?

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    Default Re: Slap Checks

    The problem I see lately is that many black belts in American Kenpo slap themselves silly, without hitting with true substance (that is, power, precision, speed, ect.).
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    Quote Originally Posted by amylong
    A person of few words. Care to elaborate?

    --Amy
    Actions speak louder then words.

    We start teaching how each move effects your opponent from the beginning. Whether you are stopping, redirecting, or speeding up your opponent. So a slap check on the inside of a punch may be used to control center on your way to a head strike. A slap check on the outside may be used to redirect or off balance so you can proceed with the counter of your choice.
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    Default Re: Slap Checks

    I find that with some techís I canít do the tech without doing a slap check. But with others I canít seem to place a slap check unless I force it. But still with others bad habits get in the way or both hands are busy doing something.

    But I am just an advanced orange belt and it looks like I will stay that way for a few more months.
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    Default Re: Slap Checks

    Quote Originally Posted by amylong
    There was mention in the article that some kenpoists don't know anything about slap checks. I find that all but impossible to believe. Kenpoists are KNOWN for slap checks -- that we slap ourselves more than our opponents.
    well amy, there was a point where for me it was monkey-see monkey-do, until i questioned it and never received an answer i was satisfied with... so i stopped doing it. i think it was at brown-2 where i did the whole 'air-kenpo' portion of the test with deliberate and exaggerated slap checks. nobody seemed to notice so i quietly laughed inside and kicked the habit.

    only time now i may tap myself is simulating a pin while demo'ing a tech in the air, otherwise i save my contact for the opponent's body. funny how you don't see this action during forms practice (at least i don't think its as common)

    there may be good value in using them 'correctly', but i feel that unless i understand how to extract the value from them and feel the evidence that it enhances my performance... i'll abstain.

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    Default Re: Slap Checks

    I dont get it.......are you slapping yourself...or your opponent?

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    Default Re: Slap Checks

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackcatbonz
    I dont get it.......are you slapping yourself...or your opponent?
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    Apparently I have a different deffinition too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gakusei
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    Apparently I have a different deffinition too.
    lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackcatbonz
    I dont get it.......are you slapping yourself...or your opponent?
    When I wrote that we slap ourselves more than the opponent, I was kidding. I certainly don't mean that we slap our opponent.

    I use them for timing purposes and to generate power.

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    Default Re: Slap Checks

    so you do in fact slap your body?
    I'm just trying to picture how it works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackcatbonz
    so you do in fact slap your body?
    I'm just trying to picture how it works.
    Yes.

    One of the ways that I practice to have controlled strikes is I do a slap check against myself at what would be the point of impact on my opponent. Using those, I have learned to know exactly when to pull my strikes so I can go full speed and power without hurting my opponent.

    That's just one use.

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    Default Re: Slap Checks

    Is this a common thing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackcatbonz
    Is this a common thing?
    Very.
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    Default Re: Slap Checks

    After many attempts I finally found this thread. Maybe some will get an idea behind the slap check. I'm a whole 3 minutes away from leaving for class so enjoy the conversation.

    http://www.martialtalk.com/forum/sho...ht=slap+checks

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    Quote Originally Posted by amylong
    At what point do you start teaching slap checks and what do you tell the students they are good for?

    There was mention in the article that some kenpoists don't know anything about slap checks. I find that all but impossible to believe. Kenpoists are KNOWN for slap checks -- that we slap ourselves more than our opponents.

    But, I don't know all the kenpoists in the world, so maybe.

    I started teaching slap checks to my yellow belts.

    --Amy
    Amy,

    It may help to give an example as to when you may execute a slap check. I think some people aren't getting the idea.

    Here is a quote from Doc Chapel's site

    "399) SLAP-CHECK - An open handed palm strike that positions the hand to possibly be used offensively and/or defensively, and assists timing, and/or power through directional harmony. See PAK-SAO.
    400) SLAP-CHECK - A hit that may be used offensively and/or defensively that positions the hands and assists timing, and/or power through directional harmony. "
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    Default Re: Slap Checks

    Amy said: "Kenpoists are KNOWN for slap checks".

    No not really Amy- American Kenpoists are primarily known for slap checks. Other styles may or may not EVER use those... Checking your opponents limb(s) yes but checking myself? Nope..

    This is not good or bad but it does represent a difference in some systems-

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    Default Re: Slap Checks

    I guess this is a little perplexing to me because I've been to a lot of kenpo schools and, as far as I remember, they all do slap-checks. Most of you probably do them and just don't think about it.

    An example, huh?

    Five swords base move. The uppercut. Right uppercut -- left slap-check to right shoulder. Shows the timing of the uppercut and sets up the left hand for whatever next move you want to do.

    Thrusting Salute -- The palm to the face. I land briefly in a closed kneel stance, then do the palm strike as I torque into my neutral bow. At the same time as the palm strikes, my left hand does a slap-check to my left shoulder area. I'm 'slapping' myself with palm out. It also serves to keep me from over-rotating or extending with the palm strike. I find that by teaching it that way, my students stop over-extending as well and they have more power in their strike.

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