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    Default Uses of a Wide Kneel Stance

    Other than in katas, what are some of the uses of a wide kneel stance?

    I know it can be good for dropping a knee on someone.

    Let's talk about some of the other uses. (Then when my students ask me, I'll sound like I know what I'm talking about.)

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    Leg checks
    Stance used to employ gravitational marriage
    pinning someone to the ground
    the stance is used to explode forward with back up mass
    This should be your basic fighting stance.
    It replaces your neutral bow as you progress through the system
    just a few off of the top of my head

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    Quote Originally Posted by jfarnsworth
    This should be your basic fighting stance.
    It replaces your neutral bow as you progress through the system
    I like the other ones, but this one stopped me. A wide kneel stance replacing your neutral bow?

    That sounds mighty uncomfortable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amylong
    I like the other ones, but this one stopped me. A wide kneel stance replacing your neutral bow?

    That sounds mighty uncomfortable.

    --Amy
    Yeah I agree with Amy. Sounds painful.

    I was always told there is only ONE stance, the Neutral Bow, and all other stances are just transitional.

    The thought of replacing it with a wide kneel makes my knees ache!
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    I'll give an explanation later. I'm at work and people are watching

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    Quote Originally Posted by jfarnsworth
    I'll give an explanation later. I'm at work and people are watching
    LOL!! Man that just sounds funny but I 100% understand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by katsudo_karate
    LOL!! Man that just sounds funny but I 100% understand.
    They have us under a close watch at work. You're not allowed to do anything there which is why I like my little office away from everyone so they can't keep a glued eye on me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amylong
    I like the other ones, but this one stopped me. A wide kneel stance replacing your neutral bow?
    OK, now that i'm at home . I should have said something more like this;

    If you look at the wide kneel stance as stated in the II's books they say the dropping knee is 1 hand length above the floor. I do agree that's a bit much but I was looking at a modified type of stance if you will not as stated in the book. The body positioning while fighting is front foot firm and the rear heel up, dropping in your stance; this way you have the ability to explode going forwards. Standing flat footed takes away from your mobility. How do you execute a push drag forward? Pick up the heel and drive off of the rear leg. While fighting you eliminate the "and then" pick up the foot.
    I'm constantly asked by the student body what stance I'm in when doing techniques. I understand the stances for the techniques but again, the higher level of experience you shorten your moves to fewer and fewer with more effectiveness.
    Am I making any sense now ? If not please feel free to ask again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jfarnsworth
    They have us under a close watch at work. You're not allowed to do anything there which is why I like my little office away from everyone so they can't keep a glued eye on me.
    I hear ya brother
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    Quote Originally Posted by jfarnsworth
    OK, now that i'm at home . I should have said something more like this;

    If you look at the wide kneel stance as stated in the II's books they say the dropping knee is 1 hand length above the floor. I do agree that's a bit much but I was looking at a modified type of stance if you will not as stated in the book. The body positioning while fighting is front foot firm and the rear heel up, dropping in your stance; this way you have the ability to explode going forwards. Standing flat footed takes away from your mobility. How do you execute a push drag forward? Pick up the heel and drive off of the rear leg. While fighting you eliminate the "and then" pick up the foot.
    I'm constantly asked by the student body what stance I'm in when doing techniques. I understand the stances for the techniques but again, the higher level of experience you shorten your moves to fewer and fewer with more effectiveness.
    Am I making any sense now ? If not please feel free to ask again.
    We do this too ... a modified Neutral Bow. Rear heel is slightly off the ground hard to see if you are not looking for it. Its an old JKD stance - power side forward - ready to spring.

    Makes more sense now.

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    I remember Mr. Planas saying on more than one ocassion that no one will ever fight from a neutral bow. How can you b/c it doesn't give you enough explosive power.

    Anyway, I'm just used to everyone calling that a wide kneel stance rather than technically a modified wide kneel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by katsudo_karate
    We do this too ... a modified Neutral Bow. Rear heel is slightly off the ground hard to see if you are not looking for it. Its an old JKD stance - power side forward - ready to spring.

    Makes more sense now.

    Salute,
    I would call that much closer to a closed-kneel stance, rather than a wide kneel. That I can go for.

    Could you imagine trying to hang out in a wide kneel stance? Ugh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amylong
    I would call that much closer to a closed-kneel stance, rather than a wide kneel. That I can go for.

    Could you imagine trying to hang out in a wide kneel stance? Ugh.

    --Amy
    As written my knees kill me in a wide kneel. It is a transition for me only ... part of my tailoring due to past injuries.

    Vic Le Roux taught us at the last seminar to get a little lower in a neutral bow with your back heel slightly up and then you have spring for power. Similar to what Huk Palanas was saying to you I guess.
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    Default Re: Uses of a Wide Kneel Stance

    The body positioning while fighting is front foot firm and the rear heel up, dropping in your stance;
    We refer to this stance as a "Sprinters neutral-bow." We use this term to distinguish this stance from both a Wide-kneel which is a much lower stance and a regular neutral-bow where both heels on the ground. Really, it's a halfway point between a neutral-bow and a wide-kneel. From this position it's a simple matter to drop the heel if you need to be more rooted in your stance, or to bend your knees more (into a wide-kneel) for the other reasons already listed (leg-checks, knee-drops, etc.)


    I agree that as a dynamic fighting stance, this stance is much more useful than a "classic" neutral-bow. You can move faster because there's not as much intertia to overcome with the heel off the ground.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kenpotex
    We refer to this stance as a "Sprinters neutral-bow." We use this term to distinguish this stance from both a Wide-kneel which is a much lower stance and a regular neutral-bow where both heels on the ground. Really, it's a halfway point between a neutral-bow and a wide-kneel.
    That's a great way to describe it. This sort of stance is one of those tweener stances. Between one and another.

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