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    The status quo for gun defenses has the attacker holding the gun in the same manner. Straight, and pointed at you. Whether from the front, side, or rear. Today, a lot of wanna-be thugs turn the gun on its side in order to look "cool." Of course anyone that is remotely trained knows this is a ridiculous manner in which to wield a pistol. But that doesn't change the reality of it.

    On the other hand, a trained individual may be likely to support the pistol with both hands.

    What, if anything, have you done to adapt existing techniques or principles to allow for these variables?
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    Would the techniques necessarily have to change?

    It's a great question, btw.

    I think it's great that tv shows the gang people turning the gun sideways because then all the dumb thugs will think that's how it's supposed to be done, so they'll do it too to look cool, which will ruin their aim, making everyone safer.

    There might need to be a slight adjustment, but the techniques should still work.

    Anyone out there work with police or have had person experience with thugs pointing guns at them?

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    Would love to hear from Walter Justice on this one. I don't even know if he's a member of the forum however.
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    Certain gun techniques rely on the position of the hand and wrist for disarmament. With the hand held, or supported in the ways mentioned above your efforts could be ineffective.

    With the gun held sideways you can still grip the breach or hammer of the pistol, but the position of the arm (elbow, shoulder, wrist positions) will play a part in determining how the attacker will move in response to your actions. For instance: With the gun held properly, the elbow is pointed down and you could come up under with an uppercut to break the elbow. However, with the gun held sideways, the elbow is pointed to the side also. If you attempted an elbow break in this fashion it would simply fold the attackers arm bringing them closer to you.
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    The best defence agains a firearm is distraction, if you away the awareness of the weilder then they arent the weilder, if you know what I mean. Distract them and take advantege.

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    You can fire handguns in that way fairly accurately at close ranges. Especially when you are on the move. It can help to minimize the effect of trigger jerk.

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    We worked on these techniques specifically designed for these modern scenarios of weapons held sideways, high and pointed downward, as well as close to the body with the empty hand shielding. They require precise body mechanics. Speed alone is ineffective. Mr. parker made sure we accounted for these things in all of our handgun scenrios, as much as we did defensive
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