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    Okay, the thread on whether or not people use gloves for bag work got me curious.

    How many of you do any type of conditioning work on your weapons? What methods do you use? What adverse effects, if any, will your methods have on you in the future?

    I condition my forearms (inner and outer) either by doing hard blocking drills with a partner, or by striking a door frame (or similar object). I also work my handswords and palm-heels by striking a brick wall or a tree. As far as punching, I do knuckle pushups, I don't use gloves when working the bag, and I do some low power strikes against hard objects but that's about as far as I'm going to go with punches. Since I've started doing this stuff I've noticed a definate increase in the effectiveness of some of my strikes, particularly my handswords.

    So, anybody else?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kenpotex
    Okay, the thread on whether or not people use gloves for bag work got me curious.

    How many of you do any type of conditioning work on your weapons? What methods do you use? What adverse effects, if any, will your methods have on you in the future?

    I condition my forearms (inner and outer) either by doing hard blocking drills with a partner, or by striking a door frame (or similar object). I also work my handswords and palm-heels by striking a brick wall or a tree. As far as punching, I do knuckle pushups, I don't use gloves when working the bag, and I do some low power strikes against hard objects but that's about as far as I'm going to go with punches. Since I've started doing this stuff I've noticed a definate increase in the effectiveness of some of my strikes, particularly my handswords.

    So, anybody else?
    I do knuckle pushups and have even used a rolling pin to desensitze my shins. I leave the trees alone though. They've never done anything to me so I don't see a need to beat them up. LOL
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    I am getting back into it and really want to make a decent makiwara- I do have a small (hand sized) sand bag to punch, and a small Makiwara plywood wrapped in thin rope (again palm sized) so you can hold it in one hand and strike the other-

    I have a stack of old tires on my property that I can do shin kicks on.. that is about it- I would get a wooden dummy if:
    1. They were cheaper
    2. I had an idea how to use it

    Great topic by the way- I have done techniques on the corner of a door jam or something hard but this was many years ago--
    The above is just my opinion.

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    Let's see....I've given this a lot of thought....and the answer is......no.


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    Quote Originally Posted by amylong
    Let's see....I've given this a lot of thought....and the answer is......no.


    I had an instructor once who said that bruises build character.

    I didn't find this to be true. I found that bruises made for lookin' ugly in shorts. And causes people to look askance at my husband.

    --Amy
    See I don't have to worry about that...I don't often wear shorts, and I don't have a husband

    Thanks for the responses so far.
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    Quote Originally Posted by amylong
    I had an instructor once who said that bruises build character.

    I didn't find this to be true. I found that bruises made for lookin' ugly in shorts. And causes people to look askance at my husband.

    --Amy
    ROFL. Priceless... Did he ever get the cops called on him? LOL
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    did the rolling of the shins.. ghaa that hurts.. but it does work.

    forarms on sandbags

    palm strikes on bag of river stones

    Knuckle pushups (because normal pushups agrivates my wrists)

    makiwara setup for head strikes... what can I say.. I live the head butt.

    Iron head in the house!!!!!!

    cept for me it's more like... pnly slightly harder than wood head....
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    At the begining of my Kenpo studies one of my instructors told me to punch the fraame of a door so I would flaten my knuckles out, more importantly my middle knuckle. Ummmmmm, it is safe to say that I did and I am still able to punch correctly without a flat knuckle.
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    I have always hit the heavy bag without gloves. I have found over the years that has helped to condition my knuckles, sword edge, ridgehand and palm, not to mention my shins and foot. Lateley I have taken to using a canvas bag filled with metal shot for striking and also on my forearms. Our school only has a couple of heavy bags now, the rest of the room is filled with wavemasters and 'bobs'. Hitting wavemasters is like punching pillows, but the bobs are decent and its nice for beginning students to have 'targets'.

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    I have never worn gloves on heavy bags. I only use 16 ounce gloves when doing pad work with a partner. the 16 ouncers help build cardio and condition the shoulders.

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    Amy,

    I give you two thumbs up for using the workd askance. Does NOT get enough rotation in current conversation these days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by parkerkarate View Post
    At the begining of my Kenpo studies one of my instructors told me to punch the fraame of a door so I would flaten my knuckles out, more importantly my middle knuckle. Ummmmmm, it is safe to say that I did and I am still able to punch correctly without a flat knuckle.
    I have heard many old timers talk about hitting brick walls etc. I think this is how makiwara training got such a bad name. People were making stiff posts and slamming the hands into it which probably will cause long term damage. A proper makiwara and give and spring to it, and when used properly won't damage the hands.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nelson View Post
    "No conditioning no power." Some Chinese guy. LOL!!
    The older I get, the more I believe in this concept. I have trained under some people that do it, some that did it and some that have never done it. You can tell a difference in techniques. Even those that used to do it all the time, but no longer do still have harder techniques even when not attempting to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nelson View Post
    I am embarrased to admit that I discounted the value of conditioning until very recently. The value can not be over emphasized in my opinion. Common sense is the key! It is not neccesary to cripple oneself in order to make great progress.
    I didn't in the beginning of my studies because my instructor came from the school of "punch a brick wall to flatten the cartilage" and told us not to do what he had to do, because it would damage the hand long term. We did lots of knuckle pushups on hardwood floors though. It wasn't until recently that I started with the makiwara and found that I really enjoy doing it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by punisher73 View Post
    I have heard many old timers talk about hitting brick walls etc. I think this is how makiwara training got such a bad name. People were making stiff posts and slamming the hands into it which probably will cause long term damage. A proper makiwara and give and spring to it, and when used properly won't damage the hands.
    I agree completely. The concept of deliberately "flattening" out your knuckles is indicative of malforming the hand due to blatant injury. There is no way you can flatten your hands without doing that damage. I can't believe it's good for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by punisher73 View Post
    I have heard many old timers talk about hitting brick walls etc. I think this is how makiwara training got such a bad name. People were making stiff posts and slamming the hands into it which probably will cause long term damage. A proper makiwara and give and spring to it, and when used properly won't damage the hands.
    We have a post wrapped in tatami mats for hand conditioning, heavy bags for legs. You're dead on when you talk about using the proper method to minimize the chances of long term damage.
    Be careful what you say, some may take it the wrong way.

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