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    Which do you prefer to strike with, an open hand or a closed fist
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    Default Re: Open hand or closed fist

    I prefer to hit with an open hand for a couple of reasons:

    1) In a self defense situation hitting with an open hand gives the impression to most unbiased observers that you are not the agressor, that you are trying to "go easy" on the attacker. The perception of the open hand is that it less powerful, therefore less lethal. We know this is not the case, but that is usually the perception of untrained observers.

    2) For me it's easier and more versatile than the closed fist. I can certainly use the closed fist when necessary for punches, backfists, hammerfists, etc., but the open hand actually is easier on my own hands. Arthritis is starting to creep in and I don't experience the pain while striking with my hands open as I do when my hands are closed.

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    Default Re: Open hand or closed fist

    I pretty much follow the soft target/hard weapon, hard target/soft weapon approach. Having suffered boxers fractures in both hand in separate fights eventually you learn.

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    I prefer the palm heel strike to a direct punch. When you utilize a palm heel strike there isn't as much "give" upon impact and the risk of injury to yourself is reduced. When you punch, there is mobility in the wrist that is not present with the palm heel. The palm heel is more "solid."

    Also, I like to keep my options open. With an open hand strike it is easier from me to grab hold of my opponent. So, if I want to transition into a lock or simply want to grab hold to control the direction my opponent falls it is easier for me to do so.

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    open hand...

    Like CC I like to be able to go from a strike to grappeling ASAP.

    Also.. as an artist I hold a great deal of value to my hands..

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    I am learning a lot of techs that involve the use of palm heel strikes. Maybe it is because I am new but these strikes are not my first choice and as such I tend to change them to a punch. One thing that makes these strikes uncomfortable is finger placement during the strike. I keep my fingers together and hit with the meaty part of the palm. But in a real situation, things tend to get crazy what if you were to catch a finger during the strike. I could end with a broken finger best case or get a nasty cut if I was to accidentally catch on a tooth and then have to worry about a bad infection. And I would disable one of my weapons
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2004hemi
    I am learning a lot of techs that involve the use of palm heel strikes. Maybe it is because I am new but these strikes are not my first choice and as such I tend to change them to a punch. One thing that makes these strikes uncomfortable is finger placement during the strike. I keep my fingers together and hit with the meaty part of the palm. But in a real situation, things tend to get crazy what if you were to catch a finger during the strike. I could end with a broken finger best case or get a nasty cut if I was to accidentally catch on a tooth and then have to worry about a bad infection. And I would disable one of my weapons
    You definately have to focus on keeping your hand open and fingers back until it becomes more comfortable for you. Indeed, if you execute a palm heel incorrectly you risk damaging your fingers. If you hold your hand correctly though, it contours you opponent's face quite nicely.

    With a punch you risk damaging your fingers and knuckles also. Basically, any time you strike you risk injuring yourself in the process (see SGM Parkers Insights books, he discusses this aspect.) You're just as likly to bust your knuckle on a guys teeth as you are your fingers (Just ask Evil Pookie, lol.)
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    Default Re: Open hand or closed fist

    Agreed.
    Quote Originally Posted by gakusei
    I pretty much follow the soft target/hard weapon, hard target/soft weapon approach. Having suffered boxers fractures in both hand in separate fights eventually you learn.
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    Given the choice I always strike open hand and if it is a soft target I like to use a percussion strike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Broad
    Which do you prefer to strike with, an open hand or a closed fist
    It depends where I am hitting the person. I would rather not punch a person if I would break my hand in doind so.
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    Default Re: Open hand or closed fist

    i guess it all depends what the target is.......nothing like a good hard slap across the face to wake someone up though.

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    Default Re: Open hand or closed fist

    If I were going to hit someone in the gut, an open hand wouldn't serve me as well, so it really does depend.

    It hurts my hand less to use open hand though.

    When I point spar (the playing around version, not the serious tournament/testing version), I like to use open hands for everything, so I can just tap. It's good practice for control.

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    Default Re: Open hand or closed fist

    I am surprised no one else mentioning a percussion strike
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Broad
    I am surprised no one else mentioning a percussion strike
    Hmmm. I'm not familiar with the term. Could you elaborate? Thanks!
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    Yeah, I don't know what a percussion strike is either... can you elaborate?
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    A percussion strike a an open hand strike where you cup your hand a little like clapping, it puts more energy into the strike which hurts more.
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    O.K... I know what you're talking about now. We just call them "cupped palm" strikes. Great strikes, especially if targeting an ear.
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    "Open Hand"

    Since I have to chose. More versatile, can be tailored to fit a little more, gives a few inches more travel when in close, can move from strike to grapple or control a little better- ...

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    About the only closed-fist strikes I throw are to the body (shovel-hooks, hammerfists, etc.). For the head, and for that matter in general, I prefer open hand strikes or elbows. As has been mentioned, you don't run the risk of breaking your knuckles, and you can grab, trap, and lock easier. I like to "manhandle" my opponents after the first strike or two so I feel that the open hand strikes are the best choice for me. My favorite strikes are probably the palm heel/claw (palm the chin and slide the fingers up into the eyes), or the handsword (works just about anywhere). I also like the cradle-blow/Y-hand to the throat either as part of a takedown (we call it a "choke-slam") or to grab their throat and yank them toward you so you can hit them or whatever.

    Rob, I love the percussion strikes. Someone mentioned the ear, Another good target is the eye. The nice thing with these strikes is that you can inflict a lot of pain but to anyone watching it looks like you just slapped the guy.
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    Default Re: Open hand or closed fist

    Quote Originally Posted by gakusei View Post
    I pretty much follow the soft target/hard weapon, hard target/soft weapon approach. Having suffered boxers fractures in both hand in separate fights eventually you learn.
    That pretty much sums up my thoughts on the subject. I have noticed that while you are much less likely to break the small bones of your hand palm-striking a hard target, it places a much higher amount of stress on your wrist.
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