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    Question of terminology.

    There are two kicks: Wheelkick and Roundhouse.

    I've heard them used interchangeably.

    There's a sparring wheelkick (which is one of those two) that start knee up like a snap kick, then turns over to the wheel.

    And the other kick that is more of a powerhouse, got all day, too stunned to see it coming, where the knee comes up from the side.

    Which is which?

    Which is the roundhouse and which is the wheelkick or does it matter?

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    Default Re: wheelkicks & roundhouse kick

    Quote Originally Posted by amylong
    Question of terminology.

    There are two kicks: Wheelkick and Roundhouse.

    I've heard them used interchangeably.

    There's a sparring wheelkick (which is one of those two) that start knee up like a snap kick, then turns over to the wheel.

    And the other kick that is more of a powerhouse, got all day, too stunned to see it coming, where the knee comes up from the side.

    Which is which?

    Which is the roundhouse and which is the wheelkick or does it matter?

    --Amy
    I have been sparring this guy that does Wing Chung for the past few months, he calls a spinning hook kick a wheel kick.
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    Default Re: wheelkicks & roundhouse kick

    And since we're on the topic of 'name-calling' (hee hee), my instructor has a kick he calls a snapping sidekick. I call it a knife-edge kick.

    I've never heard of a snapping sidekick, but they are the same kick as far as I can see.

    Anyone else call it that?

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    Default Re: wheelkicks & roundhouse kick

    Quote Originally Posted by amylong
    And since we're on the topic of 'name-calling' (hee hee), my instructor has a kick he calls a snapping sidekick. I call it a knife-edge kick.

    I've never heard of a snapping sidekick, but they are the same kick as far as I can see.

    Anyone else call it that?

    --Amy
    Nope, I call them knife-edge side kicks as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by parkerkarate
    I have been sparring this guy that does Wing Chung for the past few months, he calls a spinning hook kick a wheel kick.
    thats how I learned it in Tang Soo Do

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrBunny
    thats how I learned it in Tang Soo Do
    All I know is he can never block it LOL.
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    Default Re: wheelkicks & roundhouse kick

    We practice all our kicks as either snapping or thrusting.. our knife edge kick comes from the hip, without the chamber, such as in checking the storm, scraping hoof, flight to freedom-deceptive panther, courting the tiger,etc.
    they can be either thrusting or snapping.. but generally always to the knee.

    hope this helps

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    Quote Originally Posted by KenpoTess
    We practice all our kicks as either snapping or thrusting.. our knife edge kick comes from the hip, without the chamber, such as in checking the storm, scraping hoof, flight to freedom-deceptive panther, courting the tiger,etc.
    they can be either thrusting or snapping.. but generally always to the knee.

    hope this helps
    Unless you bring him down to your own height. But it does start at the knees.
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    Snapping and thrusting are just merely the execution same as with the punches. Snapping side kick just as in the beginning of long 2. Thrusts are more powerful designed to do a lot more damage.

    Anyone ever see Hee Il cho's master kick series or man of contrast? He does an excellent job of detail in the books on describing kicks and how to execute them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by parkerkarate
    All I know is he can never block it LOL.
    odd... Wing Chung should have taught him that if anyone spins to step into what is in Kenpo "Contact Manipulation " range. Granted that does take some geting used to...

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    The difference for us is instead of bringing the leg around the side as you pivot and turn the hip over as in the roundhouse, the wheel kick comes through the middle, like a snap kick and then the hip turns over on the pivot.

    The difference is that the wheelkick is faster but not quite as powerful as the roundhouse. The leg and body position when you are ready to extend the leg are the same in both kicks, the way you get there is different and creates different results.

    Our knife edge chambers almost touching the leg and snaps. The targets are the knee, floating ribs and the throat, with the knee being the preferred target.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jdinca
    The difference for us is instead of bringing the leg around the side as you pivot and turn the hip over as in the roundhouse, the wheel kick comes through the middle, like a snap kick and then the hip turns over on the pivot.

    The difference is that the wheelkick is faster but not quite as powerful as the roundhouse. The leg and body position when you are ready to extend the leg are the same in both kicks, the way you get there is different and creates different results.

    Our knife edge chambers almost touching the leg and snaps. The targets are the knee, floating ribs and the throat, with the knee being the preferred target.
    That's exactly my definition.

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    Bladed side kick with less pivot, yes? Sounds like a Chinese Side Blade-Kick. or just side blade-

    A spinning hook kick is often called a "Wheel" kick- a jump spinning reverse crescent kick has also been called a jump-wheel kick...

    How about tornado or butterfly kick? What terminology do you use?
    The above is just my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dianhsuhe
    Bladed side kick with less pivot, yes? Sounds like a Chinese Side Blade-Kick. or just side blade-

    A spinning hook kick is often called a "Wheel" kick- a jump spinning reverse crescent kick has also been called a jump-wheel kick...

    How about tornado and butterfly? Same yes?
    Tornado = spinning double cresent kick (outward than inward)
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    Quote Originally Posted by jfarnsworth
    Snapping and thrusting are just merely the execution same as with the punches. Snapping side kick just as in the beginning of long 2. Thrusts are more powerful designed to do a lot more damage.

    Anyone ever see Hee Il cho's master kick series or man of contrast? He does an excellent job of detail in the books on describing kicks and how to execute them.
    That's also the way we defined them. Snapping (usually with a front leg) is quick while thrusting (usually done with a rear leg) is more powerful.
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    I'm a little unfamiliar with the term "wheel kick". It appears as though from reading that you bring your leg up "chambered" then execute a side kick? Is that how I'm reading this?

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    I know when Jim Ross says wheel kick he's usually referring to Rob Van Damm flying through the air and hitting his opponent with a sort of airborn spining kick. lol
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    Im for Amy and jdinca 's version of wheel kick, as that was how it was explainied to me. I found it very awkward at first (on my hips)...still do actually, but its something I like to try to do once in awhile
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    This is a great topic. Thank you for starting it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by amylong
    And since we're on the topic of 'name-calling' (hee hee), my instructor has a kick he calls a snapping sidekick. I call it a knife-edge kick.

    I've never heard of a snapping sidekick, but they are the same kick as far as I can see.

    Anyone else call it that?

    --Amy
    in japanese it's "yoko keage geri"......side snap kick, it's all in the execution.

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