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    Pre-emptive strikes

    Are pre-emptives ethical. Would you use one?

    Would you make the first hit if it would instantly difuse a situation that could escalate into something far worse?

    Would there be legal ramifications to consider, even if to YOU it was self-defense?

    Would the situation be different if it was just you involved, as opposed to being with family or a group of friends?

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    When I play chess I like to be white. Fighting is like chess, and white has the advantage. Action is faster than reaction, he who hesitates..., heck just see how many bones you break on the way through to the spine; cuz' hitting first is a great timing mechanism, it tends to give the guy concern and doubt about his previous intentions; so, I say smack him.
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    If I feel threatened....yer darn tootin' I'll smack somebody in the teeth real quick like!

    Seriously, if you feel there is an imminent threat to life or limb don't hesitate. I personally feel if someone is making threatening comments (I'm gonna whip yer arse) or threatening gestures (shakes a fist at me, puts a finger in my face, etc) that it is acceptable to strike first. You can't assume that this person does not intend to do you harm...especially since their speech and body language say otherwise.

    One does not have to "put hands" on your person for it to be considered assault. Many state or local laws allow citizens the right to protect themselves from assault. I would suggest checking what the laws are in your area in reference to what you can or can not do and what the possible legal ramifications might be.

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    Once the other person does something it is self defense so depending on the situation I would do something. But I will never go all out on the person, I will leave the killing part out. But I will break something of theres depending on the situation.
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    Definitely. If there is a serious threat and I am unable to walk away from it confidently, I would definitely act. Especially, if there is more than one threatening party. I would do my best to not stick around however, I'm pretty darn fast runner, so I'd try to give myself an opening to escape. I'd much rather run like hell than stick around to see how I would fair in an altercation.

    A girlfriend of mine, brown belt at the time, had gone to a concert with her husband. She had stepped away and was coming back to her seat when she saw a bunch of guys physically threatening her husband, a 3rd degree black belt. She came up flank to one of them and slammed him with a back knuckle to the temple and completely laid the guy out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cameypsaromatis
    Definitely. If there is a serious threat and I am unable to walk away from it confidently, I would definitely act. Especially, if there is more than one threatening party. I would do my best to not stick around however, I'm pretty darn fast runner, so I'd try to give myself an opening to escape. I'd much rather run like hell than stick around to see how I would fair in an altercation.

    A girlfriend of mine, brown belt at the time, had gone to a concert with her husband. She had stepped away and was coming back to her seat when she saw a bunch of guys physically threatening her husband, a 3rd degree black belt. She came up flank to one of them and slammed him with a back knuckle to the temple and completely laid the guy out.
    Excellent, than what happened.
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    There may have been a small exchange between her husband and the other guys , but it became very clear that they were messing with the wrong people. They collected their friend and separated spewing out a fair amount of obscenities and idle threats.
    Quote Originally Posted by parkerkarate
    Excellent, than what happened.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cameypsaromatis
    There may have been a small exchange between her husband and the other guys , but it became very clear that they were messing with the wrong people. They collected their friend and separated spewing out a fair amount of obscenities and idle threats.

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    sometimes you do what you gotta do......if that means hitting first......by all means.

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    SWEET! That's classic.

    Quote Originally Posted by cameypsaromatis
    Definitely. If there is a serious threat and I am unable to walk away from it confidently, I would definitely act. Especially, if there is more than one threatening party. I would do my best to not stick around however, I'm pretty darn fast runner, so I'd try to give myself an opening to escape. I'd much rather run like hell than stick around to see how I would fair in an altercation.

    A girlfriend of mine, brown belt at the time, had gone to a concert with her husband. She had stepped away and was coming back to her seat when she saw a bunch of guys physically threatening her husband, a 3rd degree black belt. She came up flank to one of them and slammed him with a back knuckle to the temple and completely laid the guy out.
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    The thing is, people often say assault, when they mean battery.

    Assault is the imminent threat of bodily harm and battery is the actual bodily harm, so if someone threatens you, that's assault. And that's illegal, they basically, they asked for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amylong
    The thing is, people often say assault, when they mean battery.

    Assault is the imminent threat of bodily harm and battery is the actual bodily harm, so if someone threatens you, that's assault. And that's illegal, they basically, they asked for it.

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    I have a simple answer.

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    Can I get an Amen?
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    If there's no other way out of it, I'm not about to let somebody take a swing at me (or worse) first. If I have my kids or my SO present, then I will be even less likely to hesitate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by parkerkarate
    Once the other person does something it is self defense so depending on the situation I would do something. But I will never go all out on the person, I will leave the killing part out. But I will break something of theres depending on the situation.
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    I agree with Camey, if there's more than one attacker then I'm striking first and fast at multiple targets. As for running I'm not very good at it thats why I had to learn how to fight, LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by cameypsaromatis
    Can I get an Amen?
    AMEN SISTER!
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    Just bumping this one up for the newer members (and because I missed it the first time around)

    Quote Originally Posted by Miyu View Post
    Pre-emptive strikes

    Are pre-emptives ethical. Would you use one?
    Yes, they're ethical but I doubt I'd only use one

    Quote Originally Posted by Miyu View Post
    Would you make the first hit if it would instantly difuse a situation that could escalate into something far worse?
    Yes

    Quote Originally Posted by Miyu View Post
    Would there be legal ramifications to consider, even if to YOU it was self-defense?
    If you believe that your attacker has the Opportunity, Ability, and Intent to harm you, you're justified.

    Quote Originally Posted by Miyu View Post
    Would the situation be different if it was just you involved, as opposed to being with family or a group of friends?
    No...

    I'm not going to wait for the guy to "set up" on me, I'm going to take the initiative and attack him before he's ready and I'm going to do so in a manner that leaves him unable to continue his aggression.
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    IMO I don't think self defence means you have to wait for the punch/kick/grab to be attempted before you are in jeopardy. If someone is threatening you than I think it is reasonable to expect an attack and you can defend yourself within reason.

    I think pretty much everyone has said the same thing and then deal with whatever legal ramifications follow. Here is my question:

    Who is going to wait for the cops to show????? I'm sorry, but if you attack me (and you don't know who the hell I am) I'll deal with it then GET OUT OF THERE! If the cops find me, I was scared and ran,,,did't know if there were frineds of attacker coming to back him up, etc.

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