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    I just wanted to pose a question...perhaps not specific to being a beginner, but something that beginner's might ponder as well.

    I see a lot of threads here asking "What technique would you use when...?".

    I guess I'm curious why you would 'force' yourself to use a technique at all, in any given circumstance? I'm an ex-street kid, ex-military...ex- alot of things I guess. I've been in more fights and stupid situations than I like to admit. And I don't know if I've ever used a set technique intentionally. I know that I've used PARTS of varioius techniques...but then grafted/branched into other techniques or just did what was needed to do. Most of the time, I don't THINK in techniques...I see what openings present themselves, and use whatever tools are needed to deal with the situation. The movements I use MAY be a technique I've learned, or part of one...or they may well just be what's suited to the moment. It's still kenpo, the 'style' or the movement patterns, or whatever you want to call it...it's still the same basics, pieced together in a 'make sense' pattern.

    Do others here THINK about a technique when they're defending themselves? Or do the simply use the tools and weapons accordingly when the situation arises? I know that you "train like you fight, so you fight like you train", and agree with that...but isn't sparring/freestyling intended to teach you that spontenaity(SP) that you SHOULD use when you have to defend yourself?

    I'm really interested in everyone's opinion.

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    Default Re: Why a 'technique'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kenpo-Owl View Post
    I just wanted to pose a question...perhaps not specific to being a beginner, but something that beginner's might ponder as well.

    I see a lot of threads here asking "What technique would you use when...?".

    I guess I'm curious why you would 'force' yourself to use a technique at all, in any given circumstance?

    Do others here THINK about a technique when they're defending themselves? Or do the simply use the tools and weapons accordingly when the situation arises?
    You bring up a VERY good point!
    I don't think that we should think in terms of "what tech would you do". We do have techs that address certain 'circumstances', but really.....when the Poo hits the fan...I think along the same lines that you do.
    The "Techniques" of our systems are training tools, to familiarize ourselves with these different circumstances so that we have LOTS of options and LOTS of vocabulary of motion in order to give the best response to fit the particular circumstances we find ourselves in at the time.

    To sit and think "What tech do I do now?" during a fight will end up with the Kenpoist having LOST....period. end of story.

    Good topic, I can't wait to see what others say.

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    Default Re: Why a 'technique'?

    Well I have to admit it's been a while since I've had to defend myself but here's my 2 cents. When I began in Kenpo about 3 years ago I found myself evaluating circumstances with "which tech would i use". Now I'm a little further along and find myself trying to apply principles. How would I cancel his width or height? Where would that put him then? Are there environmental hazards? Does he have friends with him? Good Topic!

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    Default Re: Why a 'technique'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Brother John View Post
    You bring up a VERY good point!
    I don't think that we should think in terms of "what tech would you do". We do have techs that address certain 'circumstances', but really.....when the Poo hits the fan...I think along the same lines that you do.
    The "Techniques" of our systems are training tools, to familiarize ourselves with these different circumstances so that we have LOTS of options and LOTS of vocabulary of motion in order to give the best response to fit the particular circumstances we find ourselves in at the time.

    To sit and think "What tech do I do now?" during a fight will end up with the Kenpoist having LOST....period. end of story.

    Good topic, I can't wait to see what others say.

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    Agree. Learning techniques is a great way to gain an understanding of how to effectively use the weapons available to you in a fight. But that's where it ends. The problem with a fight is that things never happen the way you want. You can't think "if he does this, then I do that" because it will never happen, and you'll get mauled.
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    I have to agree with Brother John and Crane557. If you continually think only in the terms of what technique then you lose the ability to adapt. If you can learn to think and apply the principles. Then you have gained the ability to work and deal with an evolving situation.
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    I find it easier and more adaptive to think of technique based self-defense systems (such as Kenpo and Hapkido) as learning a series of "snapshots" of body position. This in fact makes the grafting/blending and borrowing/flow of an actual encounter much easier to accomplish.

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    Nothing is absolute. If in street situation a technique is executed verbatum then the person was proabably a completely inexperienced fighter and you will more than likely end up explaining to a judge what the heck you were thinking (Dance of Death). Keeping in mind there are techniques which fall below the line of leathal force.
    The only time I ever used my kenpo was at a bar one night, in a niehborhood I probably should have not been in. I did exactly what I was taught by my instructor, and it worked brilliantly: I talked my way out of it.
    I agree in a real life situation I would have to rely on my instincts rather than think about what technique I'm going to use on this guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdparsons View Post
    I find it easier and more adaptive to think of technique based self-defense systems (such as Kenpo and Hapkido) as learning a series of "snapshots" of body position. This in fact makes the grafting/blending and borrowing/flow of an actual encounter much easier to accomplish.

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    I agree with Bill. I have never been in a street fight, but my concept is that I have practiced so many techniques, that when my body is in a certain position relative to my opponent's, then my body already knows where to go and what to do and when the opponent 'attacks me wrong' or reacts strangely, then my body is in a different position relative to my opponent.

    But again, I've practiced so many techniques, that the position shouldn't be new and I just do part of whatever technique I have done a million times from that position.....until I'm in a new position or until the fight is done.

    So after having done enough techniques, enough times, it becomes reactionary.

    But you have to learn the techniques first to train your body how to react.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenpo-Owl View Post
    I just wanted to pose a question...perhaps not specific to being a beginner, but something that beginner's might ponder as well.

    I see a lot of threads here asking "What technique would you use when...?".

    I guess I'm curious why you would 'force' yourself to use a technique at all, in any given circumstance? I'm an ex-street kid, ex-military...ex- alot of things I guess. I've been in more fights and stupid situations than I like to admit. And I don't know if I've ever used a set technique intentionally. I know that I've used PARTS of varioius techniques...but then grafted/branched into other techniques or just did what was needed to do. Most of the time, I don't THINK in techniques...I see what openings present themselves, and use whatever tools are needed to deal with the situation. The movements I use MAY be a technique I've learned, or part of one...or they may well just be what's suited to the moment. It's still kenpo, the 'style' or the movement patterns, or whatever you want to call it...it's still the same basics, pieced together in a 'make sense' pattern.

    Do others here THINK about a technique when they're defending themselves? Or do the simply use the tools and weapons accordingly when the situation arises? I know that you "train like you fight, so you fight like you train", and agree with that...but isn't sparring/freestyling intended to teach you that spontenaity(SP) that you SHOULD use when you have to defend yourself?

    I'm really interested in everyone's opinion.

    Humbly your brother in kenpo...
    "technique means you are using minor move to build to a major move. Its the most logical thing to do and that is why you might consider doing it in a fight.
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    Amy-

    I COMPLETELY agree on learning the techniques first. Don't take me wrong...this is how you learn kenpo. I saw a comparative once on how learning martial arts is like learning a language. Basics (stances, strikes, blocks) are words. Techniques are sentences/phrases. Forms are paragraphs/essays.

    You learn the words first. Then you learn sentences/phrases. These are the very beginnings of learning the language, and form the true basis for your ability to manipulate and use that language.

    In kenpo, you learn the basics first. Then the techniques teach you how to use those basics in orders and methods that make sense and accomplish your goals.

    Eventually, you master the "language" well enough to form your OWN sentences, paragraphs, etc... You don't create anything new...you just learn to use the language as your own.

    Learning to modify techniques or apply the basics in techniques that still make sense and are still "kenpo", but they're what YOU tailored to use for the exact situation is what I'm talking about here.

    I hope I'm making some semblence of sense...LOL!

    But the bottom line is learning the techniques first...to learn KENPO as a system first...is on track. And then 'making kenpo your own' by applying those PRINCIPLES that you learned through the techniques when you're faced with a real life situation, rather than attempting to perform a technique 'by rote' because that's how you learned it...that would be the end result I'd think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdparsons View Post
    I find it easier and more adaptive to think of technique based self-defense systems (such as Kenpo and Hapkido) as learning a series of "snapshots" of body position. This in fact makes the grafting/blending and borrowing/flow of an actual encounter much easier to accomplish.
    Yes, sir. position recognition and technique flow.

    You could also just hit him.

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    Strive for spontaneity...there will be time to think about what you did once the fight is done.
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