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    Greetings and Salutations!

    I did some Aikido (less than 3 years) when I had back to move back to Los Angeles to help my family. After trying out a few styles I chose Kenpo from the different local MA schools.

    Currently attempting to empty my cup but I have a few habits that must drive my instructor crazy (actually he is very patient with me).

    I need to remind myself to kick my heels out in neutral stance (Aikido has a different idea about stances).

    My instructor wants me to be more aggressive with my partners. Every now and then it's common to have bruises on the arms and chest. From my previous training we were taught to take care of our partners.

    When we spar I do get to have some fun because my footwork is different and getting behind my classmates for a friendly kick to their butts makes me smile....

    Anyone have a hard time emptying your cup? What did you do to help re-install (I'ma geek) new reflexes? Any advice to repattern your muscle memory to a new art? A better way to do repetition training?

    I also have a background in the Korean arts so the similar moves are also difficult to get rid of, but slowly and surely I am being more economical with my movements.....sigh....hehehe.

    Having fun with Kenpo.

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    Default Re: Coming From Aikido - Empty Your Cup

    Hawke,

    Welcome to KT.

    Speaking of emptying your cup, I had/have that issue now. I am a beginner in Kenpo and I have a Krav Maga background and a little Shorin Ryu (from very long ago). I found there were instinctive reactions more so from KM when learning the various Kenpo techniques. It was a little tough at first but I have managed to "open my mind" and focus on my Kenpo techniques as I learn them.

    I have a fantastic instructor that is very patient with me and it has helped greatly. A lot of practice on my own moving through the mechanics of the techniques has helped immensely through repetition.

    I sounds like you have a lot more martial arts experience than I do, so it might take a while longer for you. I think you answered part of your question yourself, through repetition....

    The best to you in your Kenpo journey.

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    Nice to see you over here Hawke! Welcome!

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    I would suggest instead of empting your cup ... get a bigger cup and put more in it.

    No I cant take credit for that ... SGM Parker can however.
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    Kind of along the lines of Martin said: Get a big cup to put under your little cup. Put everything you know into that big cup and draw from it as needed.

    Use your little cup for the right now.

    I had that issue too, but mine was more from different instructors and types of kenpo. One school can vary dramatically from another and I was really frustrated. After awhile, it just became the way to do it.

    I still have my old stuff though. Even now, I can't remember where I first learned certain things. I have no idea who originally taught me form 4 and I've learned the other forms from more than a few different sources.

    If your kenpo ends up looking a little different, then that's just your kenpo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawke View Post
    Greetings and Salutations!

    I need to remind myself to kick my heels out in neutral stance (Aikido has a different idea about stances).
    I had the same problem when I switched over to Kenpo. (I still point that lead foot forward every once in a while). Repetition was the only thing that really helped. When you do something long enough it is what becomes second nature.

    I have to agree with the previous posts don't empty your cup. I still love to surprise my partner with a koto gaeshi every once in a while.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawke View Post
    Greetings and Salutations!

    I did some Aikido (less than 3 years) when I had back to move back to Los Angeles to help my family. After trying out a few styles I chose Kenpo from the different local MA schools.

    Currently attempting to empty my cup but I have a few habits that must drive my instructor crazy (actually he is very patient with me).

    I need to remind myself to kick my heels out in neutral stance (Aikido has a different idea about stances).

    My instructor wants me to be more aggressive with my partners. Every now and then it's common to have bruises on the arms and chest. From my previous training we were taught to take care of our partners.

    When we spar I do get to have some fun because my footwork is different and getting behind my classmates for a friendly kick to their butts makes me smile....

    Anyone have a hard time emptying your cup? What did you do to help re-install (I'ma geek) new reflexes? Any advice to repattern your muscle memory to a new art? A better way to do repetition training?

    I also have a background in the Korean arts so the similar moves are also difficult to get rid of, but slowly and surely I am being more economical with my movements.....sigh....hehehe.

    Having fun with Kenpo.
    I came over to Kenpo after 17 years in Aikido. It is very different but Kenpo tends to fill in gaps I saw in Aikido. Please feel free to PM me if you have any questions.

    Regards

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    I also came from an Aikido backround (3rd degree brown). I am now a soon to be green belt in kenpo. I didn't find that I had to empty my cup. The more I practiced Kenpo, the more it showed. Especially in sparring. Now my "reactions" look more like Kenpo than Aikido.


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    I have some experience in Aikido, I really love that art. VERY beautiful and the philosophical side is DEEP.

    One of the differences (see if I can actually put this in words and do it justice) is that in Aikido, most often, first contact with the aggressor is gentle and subtle, almost imperceptible if done right....so that you can blend with and take over their action...the JARRING part comes when you're sent CRASSSHHHING to the mats. In Kenpo, we also have parts that blend, but more often than not....initial contact IS the crashing and jarring part!! Then we send them to the mats.

    True in Aikido you're taught to take care of one another. We are in Kenpo as well, but it comes a bit differently. IF you're school is a quality school, then I'm sure that though there are bumps and bruises.. there aren't injuries and inflated egos. See we come at "Care" with the idea that we want you to have a realistic view of what combat is and does. It JARRS you at the least. Also, we kind of take things in a way that fits what Benjamin Franklin said about instruction: "That which hurts, instructs."
    ....see...........it's not 'pain', it's instruction!

    ...just keep telling yourself that while you ice and elevate.

    Welcome to KenpoTalk!!!! It will be interesting to hear about your experiences and insights as you go.

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    I had a similar but opposite (don't you HATE IT when people talk like that? ) about a year or so ago.

    I'd had a kempojujitsu background as a teenager for about six years. Last year, my youngest son decided he wanted to get into martial arts, and started attending an "American Karate" place near us. It was a Bushidokan style based dojo, and I began attending with him.

    From the beginning, all three of my sons far outstripped me in that dojo. It started to drive me crazy. I couldn't get my body accustomed to their footwork...would drive the instructors crazy asking them what the rest of my body was supposed to be doing during any given technique or movement. They were used to white belts that just did things by rote. I wanted an understanding of WHY I was doing something a certain way...what was the value in it? And it practically drove them crazy trying to break me of the habit of taking my opponent's centerline...or of fighting from extreme close range. I tried it their way for several months.

    Finally, I gave up. I ended up meeting up with a local black belt in IKCA, and have been learning that instead. While its not exactly the same as what I did before, the CONCEPTS, the PRINCIPLES are the same.

    All of a sudden, my boys are realizing that Dad was doing it RIGHT the whole time...just right for a different system.

    My game plan now is to get my feet firmly grounded in THIS system. Later on, I'll consider adding other things to my armoury...once my base is firmly back in place.

    I can appreciate the difficulty of what you're trying to do! I'd say stick to it...it'll pay off in the end!

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    Greetings Everyone,

    Thank you for all for your tips and advice. My instructor Mr. Bryan Hawkins answers my many questions such as......

    in long form one why do we execute inward downward blocks palm down going across the body, but when we execute inward downward blocks palm up we only go half way


    he's answer....structure. He had me go across my body both palm down and palm up to show that going across palm down is easier, but palm up your triceps get in the way.

    I do ask "why" questions and usually get answers that involve body structure, economy of motion, or power generation.

    Coming from different arts lets me pick up the techniques quickly, but I have baggage as well. I still need to smooth out my old habits into Kenpo moves.

    Thanks everyone for your replies.

    Cheers.


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