when do you back off???

[kit]

The following question came to mind after I heard about a middle school student beating up on his teacher, breaking his neck, not killing him, on NPR radio.
You are six feet tall 188 pounds you've practiced kenpo for three years, lets say high colored belt.
Question:
What appears as a teenager(careful he's a minor) comes at you, five foot four, no shirt you can see his ribs. You might out weigh him by 75 pounds. He's shooting punches like a boxer and is moving in fast.
Careful, to much force and you go to jail. Even a smooth takedown and his family may take you to court, especially with all that nasty karate training.
What do you do? Inquiring minds want to know.

Kit

[universalsomething]

That's a tough question. Duck and dodge until it's apparent you have no choice but to execute a quick hand sword to the side of the neck, and hope he goes down.

[amylong]

It seems a smooth takedown with restraint until he calms down would be most appropriate.

If you don't hurt the kids, but merely restrain, then I don't see how a lawsuit would hold up.

You can't let the kid beat on you and you can't beat on the kid, so do a restraining move -- a come along, if you can.

If not, duck and run and scream for help.

--Amy

[Hawke]

Difficult place to be in.

Hands come up to calm down the student.

Tell the student to sit back down.

Warn the student to back off.

When the students comes within kicking range.....front kick the shin....take control of the head for a quick take down.

If possible restrain the student until authorities come to take over.

Watch your six because he might want revenge and might be connected to gangs.

[KenpoChanger]

That's a tough question. Duck and dodge until it's apparent you have no choice but to execute a quick hand sword to the side of the neck, and hope he goes down.

Not

[universalsomething]

Not

This wouldn't work?

[KenpoChanger]

This wouldn't work?

If you are trying to make national headlines, I suppose it would.
Sean

[Martin Seck]

First off I would think with several years of Kenpo training you could take several hits from a non trained fighter whom you outweighed by nearly 100 lbs.

Put your hands up ... I like that ... use calming words and back up. Take a few glancing body shot if you have to, parry those to vital areas and wrap him up with your arms to check his weapons and contine to ask him to calm down.

Unless he is on crack he will.

[amylong]

Put your hand up, palm out and say, "No. No." slowly, but firmly. They have to listen.

No, wait, that's my sister's idea of general parenting. lol. (she has no kids.. My four year old at the time, thought it was hysterical.)

--Amy

[Takai]

Put your hand up, palm out and say, "No. No." slowly, but firmly. They have to listen.

No, wait, that's my sister's idea of general parenting. lol. (she has no kids.. My four year old at the time, thought it was hysterical.)

--Amy

It would work on my 3 year old but, then she just goes into a tizzy whenever she thinks she is getting in trouble.

[Black St1300]

Wouldn't the technique Sleeper work well in this context?

[Brother John]

The following question came to mind after I heard about a middle school student beating up on his teacher, breaking his neck, not killing him, on NPR radio.
You are six feet tall 188 pounds you've practiced kenpo for three years, lets say high colored belt.
Question:
What appears as a teenager(careful he's a minor) comes at you, five foot four, no shirt you can see his ribs. You might out weigh him by 75 pounds. He's shooting punches like a boxer and is moving in fast.
Careful, to much force and you go to jail. Even a smooth takedown and his family may take you to court, especially with all that nasty karate training.
What do you do? Inquiring minds want to know.

Kit

Whats my role there? Am I the teacher? Am I defending someone else? Is he alone?

I'm very used to being attacked by minors that I outweigh. I'd grab him and lock him up.
It's what I usually do.

Your Brother
John

[Kenpo-Owl]

I really like Amy's response.

Hands up, calm, authoritative voice attempting to calm the student down. Back away a few steps, and ensure that you are between that student and any other possible targets for his anger.

Try talking him down.

If he doesn't talk down, parry/block the first few shots, and watch for an opening for a take down/submission/lock. Avoid strikes and kicks...sets you up for lots of legal trouble later, and given the scenario (out mass the oppoenent, and out skilled), you should be able to remain defensive long enough to find an end to the situation before it reaches a point that you HAVE to strike.

As far as the 'danger' of going to jail since you're a martial artist...it should be clear to everyone that you used minimal force needed to resolve the situation. Letting the student hit you would be stupid...so using minimal force to restrain the student until he calms down and/or help arrives is your only real option here.

[Brother John]

Whats my role there? Am I the teacher? Am I defending someone else? Is he alone?

I'm very used to being attacked by minors that I outweigh. I'd grab him and lock him up.
It's what I usually do.

Your Brother
John

wanted to clarify, because that could sound BAD. I'm a correctional officer that works with juveniles.
I don't just go around pissing off kids....
well.......not at random.

Your Brother
John

[tiktok86]

wanted to clarify, because that could sound BAD. I'm a correctional officer that works with juveniles.
I don't just go around pissing off kids....
well.......not at random.

Your Brother
John

LOL I was actually about to ask...

As you brought up earlier, the position you are in makes a big difference. Are you the teacher and in a classroom? Is the kid ADHD or similar? There are a million factors that will have an effect on how to best handle the situation, and I honestly think you can't predict how best to respond until you're in the situation. But worst-case, he surprises you by suddenly attacking in a rage? Take-down and restrain until they are calm, and call for help.

[John Brewer]

I think I'd have to go with the hands up calm voice and wait for an opening to control him. Good point about his buddies though. If you put him in a submission they would have a better chance to attack you.

[universalsomething]

If you are trying to make national headlines, I suppose it would.
Sean

I should read more carefully.

[hongkongfooey]

Bitch slap him into next week. What if he was a 6' football player but still a minor? He is attacking because he is trying to obtain dominance over you, and possible try to hurt you in the process. I would take my chances in court. If anyone thinks I am going to take a beating from a teenager like the teacher did, their nuts. He is attacking you, committing a crime against you, you can defend yourself. I'm not saying that you should knock the kid out, but a couple open handed slaps to the kids head should get the point across that he is over matched.

[Rob Broad]

I would rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6. I will defend myself as humanely as possible until he is no longer a thread.

[Martin Seck]

I would rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6. I will defend myself as humanely as possible until he is no longer a thread.

KT on the brain, he means Threat

Rob your working to hard brother, lol.