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    What technique would you use.
    I live in the mountains but my business is in Ashland, Oregon. This is tourist central, the side walks jam as people head to plays and various shops.
    The Question:
    You are in the thick of the crowd and a panhandler gets aggressive and grabs you. Before you imagine yourself bringing down delayed sword,or triggered salute, or obscure claws on this poor soul...remember you are surrounded by women with children, seniors, some on walkers or with canes, often as not you are shoulder to shoulder with tourists. The panhandler begins to foam at the mouth and yell, now he's pulling back a fist.
    What do you do?

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    What technique would you use.
    I live in the mountains but my business is in Ashland, Oregon. This is tourist central, the side walks jam as people head to plays and various shops.
    The Question:
    You are in the thick of the crowd and a panhandler gets aggressive and grabs you. Before you imagine yourself bringing down delayed sword,or triggered salute, or obscure claws on this poor soul...remember you are surrounded by women with children, seniors, some on walkers or with canes, often as not you are shoulder to shoulder with tourists. The panhandler begins to foam at the mouth and yell, now he's pulling back a fist.
    What do you do?

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    Obscure Wing- Compact and quick very effective.

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    Step off center line.

    Palm nose with right hand.

    Elbow sandwich face with left hand.

    Grab around neck and knee face.

    Run fast.

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    Sweep him right off his feet. Check and loudly ask if he is OK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kit View Post
    What technique would you use.
    I live in the mountains but my business is in Ashland, Oregon. This is tourist central, the side walks jam as people head to plays and various shops.
    The Question:
    You are in the thick of the crowd and a panhandler gets aggressive and grabs you. Before you imagine yourself bringing down delayed sword,or triggered salute, or obscure claws on this poor soul...remember you are surrounded by women with children, seniors, some on walkers or with canes, often as not you are shoulder to shoulder with tourists. The panhandler begins to foam at the mouth and yell, now he's pulling back a fist.
    What do you do?

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    Poke him in the eye, kick him in the groin, give him $1 and hit the nearest Irish pub.
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    Quote Originally Posted by katsudo_karate View Post
    Poke him in the eye, kick him in the groin, give him $1 and hit the nearest Irish pub.
    For a double round of Guiness....yay!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kit View Post
    You are in the thick of the crowd and a panhandler gets aggressive and grabs you. Before you imagine yourself bringing down delayed sword,or triggered salute, or obscure claws on this poor soul...remember you are surrounded by women with children, seniors, some on walkers or with canes, often as not you are shoulder to shoulder with tourists. The panhandler begins to foam at the mouth and yell, now he's pulling back a fist.
    What do you do?

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    Not sure, I don't pre-chose a response to such things. But really, I'd just do Kenpo. Our art is so very good at close quarters with not much room. The majority of it should be possible in a small phone booth...I think. So...

    I'd use Kenpo.

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    Techniques are for training. Kenpo is for fighting. Knees and elbows are for panhandlers that get too close and foam on you. And, we do have some WC like movments in the system as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by katsudo_karate View Post
    Poke him in the eye, kick him in the groin, give him $1 and hit the nearest Irish pub.
    That's pretty much what I was gonna say! I was going to add a head butt to the nose though.
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    first do a sword and hammer when he hits the floor tell him, do you feel lucky punk?..well do ya, if he wants more do a circling wing that should do the trick. i pray for forgiveness should i turn to the tiger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by katsudo_karate View Post
    Poke him in the eye, kick him in the groin, give him $1 and hit the nearest Irish pub.
    Spoken like a true Irishman. I heartily agree. All you need is a shillelagh and a pint to make your troubles go away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thedan View Post
    Techniques are for training. Kenpo is for fighting. Knees and elbows are for panhandlers that get too close and foam on you. And, we do have some WC like movments in the system as well.

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    Ahh knees and elbows in close. I like it!

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    Lightbulb Re: What technique would you use in a crowd???

    considering it's a panhandler, and no real threat to me, i'd probably be loath to completely devastate him with palm strikes to the nose or swordhands to the throat. (although i'd certainly hold those in reserve for later if the situation escalates)

    a more reasonable response might be to reach across your chest and pin his grabbing hand to your person as you control his elbow and take him down, committing his other hand to the ground, and crank some pressure onto his locked wrist and elbow (think of the bargaining position you get in 'spiraling twig' which comes right before the knee to the head). then attempt to reason with him & give him a chance to rethink his position.

    it's win/win. i avoid getting the blood of a questionable character on me, and he learns a valuable lesson about life.

    as an orange belt i was taught a tech called 'humbling the bear' (it's not in the standard 24-tech curriculum) which could be modified slightly to work beautifully in this situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KenpoChanger View Post
    Sweep him right off his feet. Check and loudly ask if he is OK.
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    What technique would you use.
    I live in the mountains but my business is in Ashland, Oregon. This is tourist central, the side walks jam as people head to plays and various shops.
    The Question:
    You are in the thick of the crowd and a panhandler gets aggressive and grabs you. Before you imagine yourself bringing down delayed sword,or triggered salute, or obscure claws on this poor soul...remember you are surrounded by women with children, seniors, some on walkers or with canes, often as not you are shoulder to shoulder with tourists. The panhandler begins to foam at the mouth and yell, now he's pulling back a fist.
    What do you do?

    Kit
    A perfect situation for chin na accompanied by a smile and a "please don't do that". Then give him a buck and be on your way.
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    Chin na?

    (Sorry, I'm CMA challenged)

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    What technique would you use.
    You are in the thick of the crowd and a panhandler gets aggressive and grabs you. Before you imagine yourself bringing down delayed sword,or triggered salute, or obscure claws on this poor soul...remember you are surrounded by women with children, seniors, some on walkers or with canes, often as not you are shoulder to shoulder with tourists. The panhandler begins to foam at the mouth and yell, now he's pulling back a fist.What do you do?
    Misdirection.
    Verbal.
    Analog.

    Cover.
    Concealment.

    Humor. Care. Consideration. Love.

    And it has happened to me in Ashland.

    I closed the gap, batted down his arms and I hugged the guy, pinning his arms to his body.

    He stopped struggling and I let him go.

    He looked at my family, then said "he's a nice looking boy", and went his own way and we went our way.

    My wife thought I was stupid for hugging the guy.

    But then, it is Ashland, and that's what they do in Ashland.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John M. La Tourrette View Post
    Misdirection.
    Verbal.
    Analog.

    Cover.
    Concealment.

    Humor. Care. Consideration. Love.

    And it has happened to me in Ashland.

    I closed the gap, batted down his arms and I hugged the guy, pinning his arms to his body.

    He stopped struggling and I let him go.

    He looked at my family, then said "he's a nice looking boy", and went his own way and we went our way.

    My wife thought I was stupid for hugging the guy.

    But then, it is Ashland, and that's what they do in Ashland.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carol Kaur View Post
    Chin na?

    (Sorry, I'm CMA challenged)
    Joint manipulation. With just the properly applied amount of pressure on the wrist of the arm he grabs you with, he will stop thinking about hitting you and thinking about the fact that his wrist hurts. You can just make him stop what he's doing, or you can take hiim to the ground. Given the scenario, I don't think taking him to the ground would be needed.

    Defusion, distraction and compassion are what I think is needed here.
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