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    Question checking the storm

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    again kenpo nation, i went over checking the storm with my instructor yesterday, the only thing i seem to have trouble with is where are the two kicks suppose to land? i deflect the storm and go into a cat stance, i believe i kick the (right) knee, bring up my right knee up then kick him again in the same knee? then a chop to the neck then disarm.
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    The first kick is typically to the groin. The second kick is to the knee as you said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KenpoMD View Post
    The first kick is typically to the groin. The second kick is to the knee as you said.
    asome thank you, now the second kick as i kick i land with a chop to the neck correct? thanks again
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    Quote Originally Posted by Latinvipers View Post
    asome thank you, now the second kick as i kick i land with a chop to the neck correct? thanks again
    I use a outward snapping back knuckle to the left temple. The second kick to the knee is directed to the attackers inside of the right knee. This will drop him and should turn his head to the right to expose the temple.
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    Don't deflect the storm ... check it.

    What I mean by this is when you move out of the way and check/parry the weapon hand keep your hand in a positional check. If you try to grab the weapon hand and the guy is a stick fighter (well he does have a stick) he can reverse his circle and knock your teeth out. To feel is to believe ... we did this in class a few weeks ago with an FMA guy.

    Also moving to 3 gets you out of the attack range, there is also a right eye slice insert here which turns into a parry, etc.

    Kicks are to the groin and knee.
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    Don't deflect the storm ... check it.

    What I mean by this is when you move out of the way and check/parry the weapon hand keep your hand in a positional check. If you try to grab the weapon hand and the guy is a stick fighter (well he does have a stick) he can reverse his circle and knock your teeth out. To feel is to believe ... we did this in class a few weeks ago with an FMA guy.

    Also moving to 3 gets you out of the attack range, there is also a right eye slice insert here which turns into a parry, etc.

    Kicks are to the groin and knee.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blfycdq View Post
    Don't deflect the storm ... check it.

    What I mean by this is when you move out of the way and check/parry the weapon hand keep your hand in a positional check. If you try to grab the weapon hand and the guy is a stick fighter (well he does have a stick) he can reverse his circle and knock your teeth out. To feel is to believe ... we did this in class a few weeks ago with an FMA guy.

    Also moving to 3 gets you out of the attack range, there is also a right eye slice insert here which turns into a parry, etc.

    Kicks are to the groin and knee.
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    Exactly ... I didnt want to write out the whole technique so I just got lazy and put, etc
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    thanks guys it was a big help, before i was kicking the knee twice and it kept confusing me, i tell my brother to swing at me with a stick, is he suppose to step forward with his right leg at me when he strikes? or am i suppose to adjust with what he does? thanks
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    Ideal Phase let him step through ... eventually you should be able to adjust to anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Latinvipers View Post
    thanks guys it was a big help, before i was kicking the knee twice and it kept confusing me, i tell my brother to swing at me with a stick, is he suppose to step forward with his right leg at me when he strikes? or am i suppose to adjust with what he does? thanks
    I agree with brother Martin, about the Ideal Phase. However If your brother Is going to hit you, I would adjust.
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    Ask your instructor about the first kick. I was taught to target the bladder. However, any of the targets given will work, as long as you make the necessary positional adjustments. As stated, the second kick inside his right knee turns and drops him and opens the temple for a beautiful back knuckle strike.

    Mr's. Martin, great point about the soft block/check. If it becomes necesary to manipulate a weapon arm, you'd need softer, circular deflection and control.

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    thanks guys
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    Quote Originally Posted by MARSHALLS KENPO View Post
    I use a outward snapping back knuckle to the left temple. The second kick to the knee is directed to the attackers inside of the right knee. This will drop him and should turn his head to the right to expose the temple.
    Yes, we use the back knuckle as well, not a chop.

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    If you haven't already, you may want to check out the KenpoTalk technique reference guide found here:

    http://www.kenpotalk.com/reference.htm

    There's no guarantee your instructor will teach the techniques the way they are written here, but it does make a good reference (hence the name)!
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    The beauty of the system is you can change things up by taking pieces from other areas and applying them to your situation.

    However remember that the ideal phase base techniques are taught that way for a reason (category completion is one).

    The more you learn the more you can change around for the "what if" stuff.
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    Yep and you’ll need to change Checking up a bit so you don’t get killed. Now, I’m not supporting the “don’t do” and “category completion” camp on this one but I wouldn’t do it or teach it.
    Sorry but I feel it is down right irresponsible to present it as a viable club technique.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alleydog View Post
    Sorry but I feel it is down right irresponsible to present it as a viable club technique.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alleydog View Post
    Yep and you’ll need to change Checking up a bit so you don’t get killed. Now, I’m not supporting the “don’t do” and “category completion” camp on this one but I wouldn’t do it or teach it.
    Sorry but I feel it is down right irresponsible to present it as a viable club technique.

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    I'm intrigued to know what you feel is wrong with this technique?

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    Quote Originally Posted by katsudo_karate View Post
    Don't deflect the storm ... check it.
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    It is called "Checking the Storm" and not "Deflecting" for a reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alleydog View Post
    Yep and you’ll need to change Checking up a bit so you don’t get killed. Now, I’m not supporting the “don’t do” and “category completion” camp on this one but I wouldn’t do it or teach it.
    Sorry but I feel it is down right irresponsible to present it as a viable club technique.

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    Put me on the list of those that disagree with you sir. Having used it in real life, and teaching to my public safety students who have also used it, assures me of the efficacy of the execution. That being said, the version I use does not utilize the anatomically incorrect right kick to the opposite knee.
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