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    "I want to do that"

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    "I want to move like that"?

    What pushes you to improve, and keeps you interested in the art?




    For me it's I want to move like that. I watch My instructor (I'm ranking student at teh dojo), I look more at how he moves...how low to the ground, how his body is a unit, the intent of his movements (when he does a form or shows technique in the air).

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    I always watched Black Belts and tried to emulate the better ones, and learn what not to do from the weaker ones.
    Quality outweighs quantity every time.

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    I'm more than happy to go to school on the BBs. I don't get to see them move very often but when I do, the thought that usually comes to mind is "wow". Knowing that they started the same place I did, a white belt trying to remember how to do an inward block, helps me realize that I can achieve that level also.

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    Some of them...
    Keeps me on the straight and narrow...

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    Naw. Black Belt is easy. I watch the greats and the legends, and want to move the way they do, with the same automaticity and depth of understanding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Broad View Post
    I always watched Black Belts and tried to emulate the better ones, and learn what not to do from the weaker ones.
    At what point in your trainign coudl you tell the difference?

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    Quote Originally Posted by execkenpo View Post
    At what point in your trainign coudl you tell the difference?
    Some things are nearly self-evident. I started when I was 6 yrs. old. The ownership of mastery was evident even then. Movement with authority, and the uke doesn't get to do anything the nage doesn't want them to.

    I'm not a painter, but I can tell the difference between my mother's amateurish attempts and a Reuben's. I'm a lousy sculptor, but could tell the difference immdeiately between my clay seashell abstract, and Michelangelo's "David". I'm a pretty good guitarist and vocalist, but immediately know the difference between me and Freddie Mercury or Ingwe Malmstien.
    Clear mind, clear movement. Mastery of the Arts is mastery over the Self. That in this moment, this motion, the thoughts, memories, impulses and passions that cloud the mind must yield to the clarity of purpose, and purity of motion.

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    I can count on one hand on what black belts I would like to move like. After talking to my instructor he event said that there is a big difference between black belts now and black belts in the past. And that the change has not been for the better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by parkerkarate View Post
    I can count on one hand on what black belts I would like to move like. After talking to my instructor he event said that there is a big difference between black belts now and black belts in the past. And that the change has not been for the better.
    I'll second that. There has been a decline in the amount of hair, testosterone, and grit required to make grade. Kenpo has gotten about as bad as TKD in many cases...show up, pay your dues, and get promoted.

    I hate it.
    Clear mind, clear movement. Mastery of the Arts is mastery over the Self. That in this moment, this motion, the thoughts, memories, impulses and passions that cloud the mind must yield to the clarity of purpose, and purity of motion.

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    Dr. Dave is right about one thing. Some of the Kenpo schools are getting about as bad as the Mc Dojo's. A friend of ours could not travel to take from us and he took from an EPAC school in his area. His Black Belt test consisted of about 35 minutes of Calesthetics and doing about six kata and a dozen tecniques. He didn't have to demonstrate his thesis Kata or write a thesis.
    The whole test was about 2 hrs and 2 people were testing.

    When he visited us we asked if he should now be addressed as Sifu or Sensei and he said no,not here. Even though he had achieved a Black Belt he really had no Great pride in it, as he knew that the standards were not up to par. He did not want our people addressing him at instructor level. He always attended our class when in the area and was a good student when here. He was capable of being a good Black Belt with the right training. To bad this happened. But it is getting to be a familiar story. Wish he lived closer so we could help him more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anoise View Post
    "I want to do that"

    or

    "I want to move like that"?

    What pushes you to improve, and keeps you interested in the art?




    For me it's I want to move like that. I watch My instructor (I'm ranking student at teh dojo), I look more at how he moves...how low to the ground, how his body is a unit, the intent of his movements (when he does a form or shows technique in the air).
    I like how you think Anoise!

    I have always done that. There was a guy in my dojang when I did Tae Kwan Do who had the most impressive ability with roundhouse and hook kicks. Spinning ones, leaping ones, shuffling ones, doubles....high, low...etc.
    His name was Jesse Pinkston. Good guy, fine black belt. I tried to emulate him in those things that he did well. There was another guy named Mark who was a great defensive fighter, I adopted his defensive postures that made it so hard to fight him. My friend Sean (hi Sean) was great at covering great distance rapidly, POPing you and then getting back out like a ghost. I tried to emulate him too; though not being nearly as tall as he is made it more difficult...but I tried.

    I guess I'm like you. I've always looked to my superiors and found what I admired about them; physically and otherwise, and tried to emulate them in those ways. It's a fine way to make progress and keep inspired!

    Keep up the good work Anoise.

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    I remember 20 years ago watching a Shorei Ryu tournament with a friend and thought those brown belts moved good... then the black belts hit the floor . Sad thing is those brown belts moved better than many dan ranked black I've seen today. I think there is a thing to be said about time in grade and a qualified teacher.

    Anoise,
    I move a lot like my first teacher. I didn't realize this until some time later. Other than that I always find attributes that I like. The other day I watched Jamie Seabrooks long 6 video and that has made me rethink some things.

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    Daffy, fighting with his $1.25 quarter staff : "Ho! Haha! Guard! Turn! Parry! Dodge! Spin! Ha! Thrust!" (quarter staff bounces off log, bending his beak. He straightens it back to normal, and starts speaking to himself) "Something's amiss here... hmm, let me run through it. Ho, haha, guard, turn, parry, dodge, spin, ha, thrust." (beak bends again) "Got it." (straightens beak, and starts his fighting moves again.) "Ho! Haha! Guard! Turn! Parry! Dodge! Spin!"

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    One person I would like to be able to move like is Mr. Tatum... I have a few his DVD's and he is just awesome to watch. I too am extremely impressed at Mr. Seabrooks movements as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by execkenpo View Post
    At what point in your trainign coudl you tell the difference?

    Coming from a gymnastic background I could see who moved fluidly, had power, and good technique even though I was kind fo young. I watched them the same way with the same criteria that i knew judges watched me when I qwas doing a floor routine, so I looked for balance, speed, power, control, endurance, fluidity, grace and confidence. Those that possessed those skill were the guys I tried to emulate. If a person understands what they are doing they move differently than a person who just knows the motions.
    Quality outweighs quantity every time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Juggernaut View Post
    One person I would like to be able to move like is Mr. Tatum... I have a few his DVD's and he is just awesome to watch. I too am extremely impressed at Mr. Seabrooks movements as well.
    Here is my list of people that I would like to move like:
    1. SGM Ed Parker
    2. Mr. Joe Palanzo in his prime
    3. Mr. Paul Mills
    4. Mr. Larry Tatum
    5. Mr. Tom Kely
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    I have been fortunate enough to have watched a lot of the great, and train with some. I have found that the person I want to be able to most like is ME. To do anything else would not be proper for my body and personality.
    Quality outweighs quantity every time.

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    When I was 11, I walked into the dojo and watched the black belts and said "I want to move like that".

    30 years,100 lbs, and all the stress that the military can put on your body later ...I look at the 11 year olds and say "I want to move like that".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenpo-Owl View Post
    When I was 11, I walked into the dojo and watched the black belts and said "I want to move like that".

    30 years,100 lbs, and all the stress that the military can put on your body later ...I look at the 11 year olds and say "I want to move like that".
    Said that myself a few times! Just remember, youth is wasted on the young...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Juggernaut View Post
    One person I would like to be able to move like is Mr. Tatum... I have a few his DVD's and he is just awesome to watch. I too am extremely impressed at Mr. Seabrooks movements as well.
    I just saw Mr. Tatum move for the first time in a video my instructor gave me. WOW! Definitely someone I want to keep in mind as I practice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Broad View Post
    Coming from a gymnastic background I could see who moved fluidly, had power, and good technique even though I was kind fo young. I watched them the same way with the same criteria that i knew judges watched me when I qwas doing a floor routine, so I looked for balance, speed, power, control, endurance, fluidity, grace and confidence. Those that possessed those skill were the guys I tried to emulate. If a person understands what they are doing they move differently than a person who just knows the motions.
    THat's like the total mind/body connection. To be totally there 100% in your body moving. When someone can take certain movement and make it look easy, effortless.

    I saw the same thing in dance.

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