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    Default April 2014 POM - Step-Drag

    STEP-DRAG:

    The stepping forward, or back, with one foot and the dragging of the other foot so that the distance between them returns to their original depth. This is another of the methods of shuffling.
    Be careful what you say, some may take it the wrong way.

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    Default Re: April 2014 POM - Step-Drag

    Except that "drag" doesn't mean to actually drag your foot
    across the floor, despite the misunderstanding on the part of many .
    Doing that misaligns your body and ribs you of momentum.
    Even when you watch "traditional" martial artists, the foot only appears to be in contact with the floor. If the person knows what he's doing, it will actually be just above it.
    Of course if you're doing SL-4, your movement will be more obviously off the floor and you will be lifting your knee.

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    Default Re: April 2014 POM - Step-Drag

    Quote Originally Posted by MarkC View Post
    Except that "drag" doesn't mean to actually drag your foot
    across the floor, despite the misunderstanding on the part of many .
    Doing that misaligns your body and ribs you of momentum.
    Even when you watch "traditional" martial artists, the foot only appears to be in contact with the floor. If the person knows what he's doing, it will actually be just above it.
    Of course if you're doing SL-4, your movement will be more obviously off the floor and you will be lifting your knee.
    Blah blah blah. Agreed.

    What does drag mean?
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    Default Re: April 2014 POM - Step-Drag

    In this case, it's used to refer to the trailing leg.
    blah blah blah....
    "To be, rather than to seem"

    "Fix your rear foot ... What the hell is wrong with you?"

    "...I already watched the videos, and quite frankly, they're bullsh*t."

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    Default Re: April 2014 POM - Step-Drag

    Quote Originally Posted by MarkC View Post
    In this case, it's used to refer to the trailing leg.
    blah blah blah....
    Or the leg you planted with.
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    Default Re: April 2014 POM - Step-Drag

    Or the arm you are moving if it is part of your base...
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    Default Re: April 2014 POM - Step-Drag

    Quote Originally Posted by MarkC View Post
    In this case, it's used to refer to the trailing leg.
    blah blah blah....
    I understand what it was referring to, I asked for what the definition was.

    In this case definition is referring to
    def·i·ni·tion

    /ˌdɛfəˈnɪʃən/ Show Spelled [def-uh-nish-uhn] Show IPA noun 1. the act of making definite, distinct, or clear; a defining: We need a better definition of her responsibilities.

    2. the formal statement of the meaning or significance of a word, phrase, idiom, etc., as found in dictionaries. An online dictionary resource, such as Dictionary.com, can give users direct, immediate access to the definitions of a term, allowing them to compare definitions from various dictionaries and stay up to date with an ever-expanding vocabulary.

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    4. Optics. sharpness of the image formed by an optical system.

    5. Radio and Television. the accuracy of sound or picture reproduction.
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    Default Re: April 2014 POM - Step-Drag

    In this case you get a definition if the whole term, step-drag. I clarified the latter part of the term. Do you disagree with it? If you do, of course you can disregard it an do it however you do it. It was an unfortunate choice of words because many people do drag the foot along the floor/ground.
    "To be, rather than to seem"

    "Fix your rear foot ... What the hell is wrong with you?"

    "...I already watched the videos, and quite frankly, they're bullsh*t."

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarkC View Post
    In this case you get a definition if the whole term, step-drag. I clarified the latter part of the term. Do you disagree with it? If you do, of course you can disregard it an do it however you do it. It was an unfortunate choice of words because many people do drag the foot along the floor/ground.
    Drag is defined, at least in our schools, as to move a part of your base toward your center of gravity. Step is to move a part of your base away from your center of gravity.

    Your base is not always a foot, it could be a hand, elbow, knee, head, butt, etc.
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    Where I come from your base is your lower platform, so your arm or hand wouldn't be considered part of your bases unless you're standing on your hands. Other than that your definition is fine, except that when we (SL-4) move, we out feet along the same plane they're on, not in toward the center. Assuming forward or reverse direction. Of course, this can still be considered toward your COG.

    One of the definitions for "drag" outside kenponics is
    To lag behind.
    "To be, rather than to seem"

    "Fix your rear foot ... What the hell is wrong with you?"

    "...I already watched the videos, and quite frankly, they're bullsh*t."

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    ... Should have phrase " your definition is fine" differently. Your definition is, of course, more than "fine", within your school and system it's absolutely correct if that's how you define it. I meant that it's pretty much inline with what I'm talking about in general too.
    "To be, rather than to seem"

    "Fix your rear foot ... What the hell is wrong with you?"

    "...I already watched the videos, and quite frankly, they're bullsh*t."

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarkC View Post
    Where I come from your base is your lower platform, so your arm or hand wouldn't be considered part of your bases unless you're standing on your hands. Other than that your definition is fine, except that when we (SL-4) move, we out feet along the same plane they're on, not in toward the center. Assuming forward or reverse direction. Of course, this can still be considered toward your COG.

    One of the definitions for "drag" outside kenponics is
    To lag behind.
    Yeah, most people who don't grapple, fall, roll, or dive don't think of a base other than their feet.
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    Default Re: April 2014 POM - Step-Drag

    I disagree a little. Grappling doesn't have to mean doing it on the ground. And learning and training falls doesn't necessarily mean you stay there . But I see your point.
    "To be, rather than to seem"

    "Fix your rear foot ... What the hell is wrong with you?"

    "...I already watched the videos, and quite frankly, they're bullsh*t."

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    Default Re: April 2014 POM - Step-Drag

    When 1 definition allows you to speak about maneuvering in all 3 dimensions, instead of being a more cumbersome vocabulary, how is that not a better way to teach and learn?
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    Better than what? Sometimes one definition will suffice, other times it will confuse.
    I suspect Ras will agree with you.
    "To be, rather than to seem"

    "Fix your rear foot ... What the hell is wrong with you?"

    "...I already watched the videos, and quite frankly, they're bullsh*t."

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    I now have more respect for Ras, though I had more for him before, I know he trains.

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    I wasn't knocking on Ras, he's a good guy.
    "To be, rather than to seem"

    "Fix your rear foot ... What the hell is wrong with you?"

    "...I already watched the videos, and quite frankly, they're bullsh*t."

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarkC View Post
    I wasn't knocking on Ras, he's a good guy.
    I wasn't either. Somehow we got on the same page. Cosign. Salute.
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    Default Re: April 2014 POM - Step-Drag

    Did you guys forget what he said about Snapping Twig? I am still mad, but I don't dwell.... OK maybe this is dwelling.
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    Default Re: April 2014 POM - Step-Drag

    In Mr. Parker's explanation to me, the term "drag" simply meant "trailing the direction of travel." and had no "contact context." I questioned the term, (along with some others) because it always seemed to be interpreted incorrectly. His answer was quite clear and succinct. He rolled his eyes and said, "I know." He continued with the question, "Step/step would be better?" Parker continued, "You will always have people who don't understand things. You educate them if they will listen, and if they don't - stop talking.

    Remember when YOU create terminology it has to make sense and have a broader context or it's like a secret handshake. Two guys snickering cause they know the handshake and the rest of the world doesn't. What they don't understand, is the rest of the world doen't care about their little secret handshake.

    In a physical activity that uses terms, those terms should be physically descriptive of the activity. Terms should be lessons in and of themselves capable of being deciphered, and not "subjective babble" of abstract ideas. Those are the guidelines I have always used because Mr. Parker placed a great deal of emphasis on the subject as he scrutinized my work and writings. He insisted if you wanted to find acceptance outside a handfull of people, you must use a science model that can be understood by the many, not the few.

    The "drag/step" is a perfect example of his philosophy. Simple, descriptive, and ready for a competent teacher to explain the intricacies of the mechanics relative to the stances utilized. Most generally understand "step." Adding a simple explanation of "drag" places everything in context across all his foot work terminology. Mr. Parker was a huge drag racing fan, and we hit the "street races" on more than one occasion. He looked at me and said, "I've never seen a drag chute in the front."

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